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Old 10-18-2006, 12:20 AM
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Doper Gals: Any of you dealt w/pelvic prolapse? (Boy howdy, TMI)

"You're too young for this," said the ER doctor, the nurse practitioner, and my OB. Thanks. Regardless, I am dealing with a prolapsed bladder. Squeamish, look aside. Curious, read on.

Often in typically a) older women or b) women who've had many a baby (I've had ONE, dammit!), the ligaments in the pelvic region loosen. Sometimes, a little too much. When "too much" happens, the vaginal wall that normally supports a variety of internal organs can collapse. An anterior collapse can result in the supported organs--the bladder and/or urethra--literally falling into, and out of, the vaginal canal. Thankfully, my prolapse is *just* my bladder, and I'm not dealing with the major PITA symptoms that come with such a prolapse (like, oh, incontinence). It's a bit uncomfortable, and more than a little disconcerting.

The ER doc and nurse practitioner both said I needed surgery, but my OB said it might respond to Kegels. Yup, good ole Kegels. I was stunned. Can Kegels seriously, erm, push my bladder back where it belongs?? We'll see. My doctor is monitoring it and said it might end up requiring surgical repair.

I have been stunned by everyone's nonchalance, too, btw. Apparently an internal organ falling out of the body is no big deal. Forgive me for getting just a little freaked out about it and going to ER initially. (The ER doctor actually said to me, "Why are you here?" UMMM...BECAUSE I CAN SEE MY BLADDER?!) Anyway, I'm relieved that it's not a prolapsed uterus, which could have resulted in a hysterectomy. Apparently a prolapsed bladder is very common and women walk around with them for years. (YEARS? What the fuck, people??)

Considering I just had back surgery, I am in NO hurry to have ANY surgery any time soon, and it devastated me to hear that I might need it. I'm posting here fishing for others who've suffered similarly, or know someone who has--and specifically, if Kegels did anything. (I also fear what surgery might do to my ability to deliver any future children vaginally, nonetheless my ability to enjoy their conception.)
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:37 AM
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I have no advice to give you, I just wanted to say, DEAR GOD!!!
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:40 AM
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This is the first post in a while that I've read through my fingers spread before my eyes in cringing dread. . .
Godo luck with that! Really.
Aiaghh!
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:54 AM
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*eyes cross*

Uh, I'd be more than a little bit nonplussed if someone reacted to an organ falling out of my body cavity as no big deal and suggested some little exercises I might do to prevent the said ORGAN FALLING OUT OF MY BODY CAVITY.

Why not just tell you to stand on your head, for heaven's sake? Anyhow, I'd see if I can't find a doctor who maybe treats this with just a teence more chalance.
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:56 AM
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See? SEE?? You two get it. It's FREAKY and SCARY and -y and OH DEAR GOD-y, so nonchalant reactions from medical professionals ("Oh, it's your bladder. Ho hum, why is it you felt this was an emergency?") is most disconcerting.

And for the record, my prolapse is not severe. It's not, erm, protruding from my body (anymore), so it's not quite the Halloween horror it might sound.

Whoo hoo, TMI!
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Old 10-18-2006, 01:06 AM
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Ah but Matt, everything I can find info-wise continues the theme of commonality and nonseriousness:

From the Mayo Clinic online:
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For mild and moderate cystoceles [bladder prolapse], self-care measures or nonsurgical treatments are often effective. In more severe cases, surgery may be necessary to keep the vagina and other pelvic organs in their proper positions...

...When possible, avoid surgical treatment if you have a large cystocele until you're done having children. If the prolapse is so uncomfortable that you need a vaginal repair, you can still have children though a Caesarean delivery is recommended.
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Sometimes you can reverse a mild case of prolapse by doing exercises that strengthen the pelvic muscles. In other cases, the degree and severity of the prolapse can increase over time as the woman ages. This can occur more rapidly in some women than in others. Advanced or severe cases of prolapse usually do not respond to exercise or hormonal therapy. Surgery often improves or cures pelvic organ prolapse.
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Kegel Exercises
For mild cases of uterine prolapse [granted, I don't have a uterine prolapse) exercises are recommended to strengthen the pelvic muscles. These exercises are easy to do and can be done anywhere, at any time.
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If your prolapse is mild to moderate, you may be referred to a physiotherapist for treatment. A physiotherapist will work with you to create an individualised treatment plan based on pelvic floor exercises (see pelvic floor exercises). These exercises, also called Kegel exercises, may help keep the prolapse from getting worse and may help reduce backache, pelvic pain and incontinence. It may take a few months before you notice any improvement.

If you're unsure whether you're doing the exercises correctly, a physiotherapist may be able to help, either through coaching or by using a biofeedback machine.
And so it continues. Apparently, Kegels are right in line. Weird.

Now, before this turns into a "Everyone point in horror at what a freak show Ruffian is!", I'd reeeeeeeeeally like someone to step in and say, "Yup, been there, done that," so I feel a little less like I should be charging admission to this thread...
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Old 10-18-2006, 02:22 AM
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Been there, done that. Only with me, it's my uterus trying to escape, and it has been for the past 17 years or so, although not to the degree anyone's suggested doing anything surgical about it. Kegels, shmegels.

Good luck with that!
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Old 10-18-2006, 02:31 AM
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That happened to my great grandmother. Seriously. Her bladder fell the fuck out. Freaked all of us, including her, out.

I had no idea it could happen until she told us about it. Scared the living daylights out of me. Your bladder is, IMO, not an organ you should ever actually have to see. Kthx.

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Old 10-18-2006, 04:44 AM
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Old 10-18-2006, 05:32 AM
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I have no firsthand advice to offer but I'm sorry to hear that the ER doc wasn't more sensitive about the situation. I guess that sometimes ER docs lose perspective on how something that seems relatively minor compared to some of the more gory stuff they see could seem really scary for someone who hasn't had medical experience. I totally understand why you were scared and considered it an emergency. It's better to go in earlier than necessary for treatment than to wait too long and let a problem become much worse. For example, I'm sure that ER doc has seen plenty of heart attack patients who waited too long to get help because they thought it was indigestion. Better safe than sorry in health matters. Anyway, I hope that this situation improves for you soon!
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Old 10-18-2006, 06:23 AM
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Oh, I can do a me too post!

Having suffered from the same sort of prolapse, I can attest to the Kegals helping me out. It did take a while for it to become helpful, and the biofeedback machine really helped me figure how to properly do the exercises.

Now, a couple years on I still do the exercises, and thankfully haven't had to have any surgery. I still have the occasional accident now and then, but it's nothing compared to how I was at my worse.

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Old 10-18-2006, 06:50 AM
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Okay...I posted about this somewhere around here. My MIL's uterus is COMPLETELY out of her body and has been for a few years now. She doesn't want to have it corrected. She just walks around with her uterus hanging out of her. We're all horrified. I tell her she no longer has to endure the humiliation of a pelvic exam because the doctor doesn't even have to be in the room with her for her next pap smear.
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Old 10-18-2006, 07:04 AM
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Okay...I posted about this somewhere around here. My MIL's uterus is COMPLETELY out of her body and has been for a few years now. She doesn't want to have it corrected. She just walks around with her uterus hanging out of her. We're all horrified. I tell her she no longer has to endure the humiliation of a pelvic exam because the doctor doesn't even have to be in the room with her for her next pap smear.
... Is there still a FIL in the picture? What does he have to say about it?

According to the Mayo Clinic's article, complications can include ulcers where the uterus is damaged by the friction of exposure, and even infection.
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Old 10-18-2006, 07:36 AM
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Okay...I posted about this somewhere around here. My MIL's uterus is COMPLETELY out of her body and has been for a few years now. She doesn't want to have it corrected. She just walks around with her uterus hanging out of her. We're all horrified. I tell her she no longer has to endure the humiliation of a pelvic exam because the doctor doesn't even have to be in the room with her for her next pap smear.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! :O

I've seen uterine prolapses in farm animals. It sure as hell ain't pretty. I also can't imagine walking around with my uterus hangin' out. Or my bladder.

*whimper*

The human body never ceases to amaze me (and freak the living uterus out of me). AAAH.
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Old 10-18-2006, 07:39 AM
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... Is there still a FIL in the picture? What does he have to say about it?

According to the Mayo Clinic's article, complications can include ulcers where the uterus is damaged by the friction of exposure, and even infection.
He's dead and the sex thing ended years before that, due to a stroke. She's 83.

She does have friction issues, but puts neosporin or whatever on it to relieve it. It's so simple to remedy, given that her uterus is practically between her knees. I know...you're alternating between and . So are we. It's an endless source of amusement when we get a couple cocktails under our belts. She's absolutely fine with it. For her, uterine prolapse is more palatable than having the surgery or having the retention ring installed.
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Old 10-18-2006, 10:41 AM
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Retention ring...that must be what my grandma got installed after her uterus prolapsed. Then I think she may have had a hyterectomy after all. Yikes.
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Old 10-18-2006, 11:00 AM
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Retention ring...that must be what my grandma got installed after her uterus prolapsed. Then I think she may have had a hyterectomy after all. Yikes.
Yes, it's a simple procedure, but I've heard that they have to be re-inserted or repositioned sometimes.
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Old 10-18-2006, 11:05 AM
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Oh, my God. That's too mindbending to contemplate.
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Old 10-18-2006, 11:24 AM
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This is fascinating.

Since I'm at work, I'm not going to try to google for pictures of this sort of thing, but I do have a few questions.

First, how strong is the wall of the bladder and/or uteris. I'd be affraid that, if it was sticking out, it might get pinched and punctured. Likewise, isn't there potential danger of infection and such. I mean, this is a part of your body that is usually protected by your outsides!

Also, I'm slightly confused as to the biology that allows the bladder to fall through the vagina. Is the vagina open to a person's insides, and it's just muscles that are pressed against each other that keep one's insides from all spilling out? Is there tearing that occurs somewhere. What, exactly, is the deal?
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Old 10-18-2006, 11:24 AM
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The term "prolapsed uterus" entered my vocabulary when I was but the the tender age of 12 or so -- and reading the James Herriott books for the first time. Which is why when my mother informed me that she, too, had the condition which the good veternarian wrestled many a time on a cold stone barn floor, my reaction was something like -- followed by a "moo." (My mom has a well-developed sense of humor.)

However, the "eeks" don't stop coming, the more I learn about Kalhoun's mother-in-law. Mary, mother of God!!
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Old 10-18-2006, 11:25 AM
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I had no idea such a thing was possible.

Ruffian, I so sorry that:

A) You have to deal with such an issue. It's freaky enough reading about it, but to actually through it, wow.

B) The doctor was so unfeeling. That's just really poor patient interaction. I hope the next one you see is more understanding.
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Old 10-18-2006, 11:30 AM
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She just walks around with her uterus hanging out of her. We're all horrified.
Me too, man. Me too.


Ruffian, I'm sorry that you're going through this. I can assure you that a trip to the ER is *not* overreacting. I don't know a single person who wouldn't go to the ER if they found one of their organs had somehow escaped.

If you guys need me, I'll be over here in the corner Kegeling my ass off.
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Old 10-18-2006, 11:32 AM
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He's dead and the sex thing ended years before that, due to a stroke. She's 83.

She does have friction issues, but puts neosporin or whatever on it to relieve it. It's so simple to remedy, given that her uterus is practically between her knees. I know...you're alternating between and . So are we. It's an endless source of amusement when we get a couple cocktails under our belts. She's absolutely fine with it. For her, uterine prolapse is more palatable than having the surgery or having the retention ring installed.
I just can't figure out the logistics of it. How does she walk? Or sit down? What if she sits on it!?
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Old 10-18-2006, 11:32 AM
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Holy SHIT! I didn't know that was possible either!
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Old 10-18-2006, 11:53 AM
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Please help me try to understand this... So does this mean that there is a hole or a tear in the vaginal walls, and the bladder traveled through the opening into the vagina? I mean, isn't the vaginal canal closed off from the rest of the abdominal cavity? I am sure it is, otherwise sex would be a real problem, right?

So is the bladder actually resting inside your vaginal canal? Or is it hanging outside of your vagina? If so, can you hold it and touch? I am having a very hard time picturing this. Is it just resting inside of your underwear?

How would you go about sex? How would a man, ahem, get *in there* without barrelling into your bladder?

And if the bladder is in the vagina, wouldn't you have to pee like every 10 minutes since the vagina is a constricted space, and it would be pressuring the bladder, especially if you are crossing your legs.

I just can't understand how an internal organ can survive outside of the body. It doesn't have skin. It's membraneous (is that a word?) and not protected with skin, right?
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Old 10-18-2006, 11:54 AM
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Okay, I felt daring and did google images. Not as bad as I feared but not particularly work safe. Sorry, I would get the surgery. No way I'd try to exercise that back to where it belongs.
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Old 10-18-2006, 11:58 AM
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A close friend of mine had this and it caused me to research the situation. There is actually an interesting message board dealing with prolapse. I post it because it doesn't really come up with google and I happened to stumble upon it. http://prolapse.hyperboards.com/

I found it fascinating how common this is (50% of women who've given birth eventually get it), while at the same time how little press it gets. Everyone knows that men's prostates enlarge freakishly with old age, but who talks about how women's abdominal organs drop through their vagina? And I personally had no idea that Kegel exercises were actually an important preventative health measure and not just some new age love-your-body fad. Who knew?

Some advice: yes, conservative approaches are better because surgery has a relatively high failure rate, combined with a paucity of good documentation on what works -- if you can avoid it, it's all for the best. The "if" here would depend on how uncomfortable you are, I imagine. That said, surgery was a godsend for my friend, who did walk around with it for years as a mainly cosmetic problem until one day it suddenly became very painful.

Whatever you do you should go to to a specialist in prolapse for evaluation. NOT a general gynecologic surgeon. At the very least they should be a urogynecologist. Yes, it's actually a specialty. See the American Urogynecology Society.
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:00 PM
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This has good information (and a very good diagram... probably safe for work since it's just a medical diagram)
http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec22/ch249/ch249a.html
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:04 PM
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This is definitely NSFW. It's an illustration of the external view of a uterine prolapse.

http://www.netterimages.com/image/2980.htm
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:10 PM
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Me too, man. Me too.


Ruffian, I'm sorry that you're going through this. I can assure you that a trip to the ER is *not* overreacting. I don't know a single person who wouldn't go to the ER if they found one of their organs had somehow escaped.

If you guys need me, I'll be over here in the corner Kegeling my ass off.
This may be the funniest line of the day.
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:16 PM
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I just can't figure out the logistics of it. How does she walk? Or sit down? What if she sits on it!?
Okay...here's the deal. She rarely goes out, so she rarely gets dressed. She wears a housecoat and no underwear probably 90% of the time. I asked my SIL and she says it is completely on the outside of her body. I think she just works around it as far as sitting goes. I'm not sure if it can be (god..I can't believe I'm saying this) "tucked in" so that it's not in the way.

The uterus was partially exposed for a very long time before she had it looked at. I guess when it completely fell out, she decided it was worth going to the doctor. Not the ER, mind you...she waited a couple weeks for a normal appointment. She does not appear to be incapacitated or even inconvenienced by it.
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:28 PM
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Oh my god....that illustration...THE INTESTINES ARE NEXT! Please, won't someone just bleach my brain?
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:55 PM
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See, if this happened me, major badness would ensue. The rational part of me would be saying "this is a vital organ, don't mess with, it belongs inside your body, you don't want it to get infected" while the crazy scientist part of me would be trying to yank it out so that I could dissect it.

I've always wondered what my uterus looks like, especially when I'm on my period. Maybe if I bear down hard enough, it'll pop out and I can play with it.

Apparently, I'm mentally ill since I'm the only person in this thread saying stuff like this.
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Old 10-18-2006, 01:25 PM
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See, if this happened me, major badness would ensue. The rational part of me would be saying "this is a vital organ, don't mess with, it belongs inside your body, you don't want it to get infected" while the crazy scientist part of me would be trying to yank it out so that I could dissect it.

I've always wondered what my uterus looks like, especially when I'm on my period. Maybe if I bear down hard enough, it'll pop out and I can play with it.

Apparently, I'm mentally ill since I'm the only person in this thread saying stuff like this.
If you turn it inside out, you can see what a period looks like before it falls out!
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Old 10-18-2006, 01:33 PM
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The pictures just made it worse, thanks.

Can you imagine being a guy, looking for some hot sex, and seeing that instead?

!SURPRISE!

Looks like one of those spice worms from Dune.
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Old 10-18-2006, 02:11 PM
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Looks like one of those spice worms from Dune.
OMG. O M G. Oh Mien Got Im Himmel!!!!

Just wanted to say that I was watching Dune last night, and al I could think of was... "It *IS* the Kwizatch Haderach!"
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Old 10-18-2006, 03:40 PM
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Gaaah! This is all terribly wrong. I'm afraid to pee or do anything else with my vagina today, and probably will be for the next few weeks.
I mean, doesn't it hurt? Is it really that simple, to look down and notice a big thing coming out? I always assumed they were, y'know, too big to come out. And covered/filled with blood.
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Old 10-18-2006, 03:49 PM
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Gaaah! This is all terribly wrong. I'm afraid to pee or do anything else with my vagina today, and probably will be for the next few weeks.
I mean, doesn't it hurt? Is it really that simple, to look down and notice a big thing coming out? I always assumed they were, y'know, too big to come out. And covered/filled with blood.

Hey! Quit peeing out of your vagina, young lady!
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Old 10-18-2006, 03:59 PM
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Gaaah! This is all terribly wrong. I'm afraid to pee or do anything else with my vagina today, and probably will be for the next few weeks.
I mean, doesn't it hurt? Is it really that simple, to look down and notice a big thing coming out? I always assumed they were, y'know, too big to come out. And covered/filled with blood.
I don't recall anyone mentioning blood for the MIL. I haven't heard her complain at all, except that we laugh about it in front of her whenever the subject comes up. The whole thing defies the laws of...uterine suspension, I guess.
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Old 10-19-2006, 12:13 AM
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I love the Dope. You are my people. I love that there are so many responses here that are rooted in genuine curiosity. IGNORANCE BE DAMNED!

First of all, I, too, want to know the mechanics behind all this. How does a bladder fall through? I orginally assumed there was a tear in the vaginal wall, but my OB said "What tear? No, this is just from the ligaments loosening and the wall collapsing."

I have a mild prolapse, so it isn't external. Basically I have a small kiwi-size bulge in my vagina. It isn't a bloody kind of situation, and oddly, isn't painful. More than anything, it's just occasionally uncomfortable--ladies, it's reminescent of a tampon that has dropped and you can feel resting at the vaginal opening. Some days it's worse than others; a few days ago, I couldn't feel it at all. The day I went to ER, I could see it bulging out--it looked like a pink kiwi (wonder how many people are never eating that fruit again...). I was able to push it back in some, which wasn't painful at all. Maybe there's not a ton of nerve endings in the bladder.

As far as sex--we were afraid to try for two weeks, but we were needing some nookie and tried the other day. Nooooooooooooo problem. Apparently, DeathLlama's giant throbbing member ( :biggrin: ) just pushes the bladder up and out of the way. A few hours ago we retested that hypothesis--all was well. Neither of us noticed any discomfort or change in sensation, and again, I am mercifully free of the whole incontinence side effect.

I was even able to ride my horse the other day. It was uncomfortable--again with the dropped tampon feeling--and there was a slight chafing feeling, but eventually it went away. I'm actually hoping riding will help me tone up; it's great for my abs, trunk, and thighs...maybe it'll help with the pelvic problems, too.
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Old 10-19-2006, 12:18 AM
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Okay, the pics of the uterine prolapse???

That's decidedly NOT what I"m dealing with. Urg.
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Old 10-19-2006, 12:35 AM
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If you guys need me, I'll be over here in the corner Kegeling my ass off.
If you're kegeling with your ass, then you're doing it wrong.

Also, I am so not looking at any of those pictures. I'll sit here, I'll read the thread (while doing my own kegels, dear god help me) but I'm not going to look. Especially not when Ruffian's describing it as looking like a 'pink kiwi'. Eeeeeek!
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Old 10-19-2006, 02:17 AM
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I'm sitting here having really disturbing visions of Kalhoun's MIL's uterus, hanging there, by two fallopian tubes. Eeeek.

I so do not want to get older. I SO do not want to get older. And I totally do NOT want to have kids. Eeeee. Those are just body parts that are not meant to see the light of day.

~Tasha
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Old 10-19-2006, 02:52 AM
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Hello Ruffian, sorry for your distress. Did you check the merck link posted by nyctea scandiaca? The upper right hand picture, the portion marked cystocele should be a halfway decent representation. Sorry the ER staff wasn't more supportive, but we get pretty used to a life-threatening/non-life-threatening way of looking at things, plus a fair number of people relax as soon as I tell them it's no big deal; that's what they want to hear from me. On a good day I can tell who needs more support, but not always, especially if I've got people trying to die next door, best of luck,
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Old 10-19-2006, 03:18 AM
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Do not go to images.google.com. Do not type in "uterine prolapse" or "procidentia".

I was not aware that the vagina could everted, like a fly's stomach, straight outta the canal for all to see. This was not the sort of thing that ever had occurred to me. Nor was I aware that the cervix could possibly see the harsh light of day.

So, the vag turns itself inside out and just sits there. And Kalhoun's MIL doesn't think maybe it should be pushed back in. You know, it came that way from the factory for a reason.

Ruffian, I feel for you, but from what I've been reading (in a perfect mixture of horror and fascination), it's not really that severe. Kegel your way back to health.
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Old 10-19-2006, 03:54 AM
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You couldn't pay me to look at the pictures. Not after the pink kiwi and spice worm comments. I think they told me everything I need to know. Of course, now I'm tempted to bolt myself together so that none of my bits migrate out of their assigned spaces. I'm also glad that I've been doing Kegels for ages anyway.

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I've always wondered what my uterus looks like, especially when I'm on my period. Maybe if I bear down hard enough, it'll pop out and I can play with it.

Apparently, I'm mentally ill since I'm the only person in this thread saying stuff like this.
Well, I can't say that I've ever wanted to do that before, although I kind of do now. Mostly I want everything to stay where it belongs. I have been treated to many horrible gynecological stories, since the women in my family tend to have a lot of problems in that area, but none of them mentioned this prolapse thing.
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Old 10-19-2006, 04:40 AM
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Ye gads! Never in my life have I been so glad to have been born with a penis! I keep thinking of all those scenes in war movies and the like where somebody is frantically trying to stuff their intestines back inside of them. I gotta say that if I were a woman who'd suddenly developed "dangly bits" I'd be grabbing the doc and screaming, "Fix it! Fix it! Fix it!" I'll never look at getting kicked in the nads the same way again.

All that being said, I have to say, you with the face I am intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Old 10-19-2006, 05:25 AM
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IANAn anthropologist, but I would guess that this is one of the prices of walking upright
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:12 AM
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"You're too young for this," said the ER doctor, the nurse practitioner, and my OB. Thanks. Regardless, I am dealing with a prolapsed bladder. Squeamish, look aside. Curious, read on.

Often in typically a) older women or b) women who've had many a baby (I've had ONE, dammit!), the ligaments in the pelvic region loosen. Sometimes, a little too much. When "too much" happens, the vaginal wall that normally supports a variety of internal organs can collapse. An anterior collapse can result in the supported organs--the bladder and/or urethra--literally falling into, and out of, the vaginal canal. Thankfully, my prolapse is *just* my bladder, and I'm not dealing with the major PITA symptoms that come with such a prolapse (like, oh, incontinence). It's a bit uncomfortable, and more than a little disconcerting.

The ER doc and nurse practitioner both said I needed surgery, but my OB said it might respond to Kegels. Yup, good ole Kegels. I was stunned. Can Kegels seriously, erm, push my bladder back where it belongs?? We'll see. My doctor is monitoring it and said it might end up requiring surgical repair.

I have been stunned by everyone's nonchalance, too, btw. Apparently an internal organ falling out of the body is no big deal. Forgive me for getting just a little freaked out about it and going to ER initially. (The ER doctor actually said to me, "Why are you here?" UMMM...BECAUSE I CAN SEE MY BLADDER?!) Anyway, I'm relieved that it's not a prolapsed uterus, which could have resulted in a hysterectomy. Apparently a prolapsed bladder is very common and women walk around with them for years. (YEARS? What the fuck, people??)

Considering I just had back surgery, I am in NO hurry to have ANY surgery any time soon, and it devastated me to hear that I might need it. I'm posting here fishing for others who've suffered similarly, or know someone who has--and specifically, if Kegels did anything. (I also fear what surgery might do to my ability to deliver any future children vaginally, nonetheless my ability to enjoy their conception.)
Dear Ruffian,
I have Pelvic Organ Prolapse. I did have a Hysterectomy when I was 35 and to be honest; I have no idea what was left in me when I had it. I am an older woman and I'd never even heard of "Bladder Prolapse". Yet; when I mentioned it to very close, personal friends, they knew about it, and as you said, were quite
blase' about it. I myself, was horrified to see my Bladder trying to come out. I had no idea what it was! Yikes!:
After researching it in Firefox, I felt much better because thin is quite a common thing that happens in women, just as you described. The numbers of frequency are amazingly high. I guess it's just one of those things that women don't want to talk about.
Even if I would subject myself to "The Operation" (which I will NOT!) from all accounts that I've herd and read about, it's painful and has many flaws and is seldom completely successful and causes much pain and difficulty in healing. At my age, I'd never chance it.
I'm a Horse-Person and have fallen my share. I was also an Ice Skater and those falls are quite hard on the body. The last straw was last year when I fell on our own Country property on a concrete slab. I fell so hard; I felt my insides pulling away from where they were. (It felt similar to giving birth). Then came the visible Bladder thing.
My Doctor tells me that one is more open to Bladder Infections with this condition. He also said he would not recommend the operation to anyone. No worry there!
The condition is not really painful to most women if they don't lift heavy things and stay off your feet when you can; NO RUNNING or jumping. A hot Bathtub bath will shrink it immediately and it won't bother you again for awhile. Other then that, just tuck it back up. The exercises will most probably work for everyone; but if you can't; get your feet above your abdomen and it'll go up and back in if you are still.
This is really something that you'll have to live with (unless you have the operation; but then you've got a multitude of other problems which can even be fatal. Infection is the main drawback, besides the pain and your body may not accept the foreign matter used and you're right back where you started.
As for you- - - Mr. Tuckferfan; you should do a little research on P.O.P. and you will find that it does happen to some men. That does require an operation, for obvious reasons! I wish nobody ever had to go through this.
Thank you for sharing, Ruffian. I can be found on Facebook.
Sincerely, Suzanne Klee
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:11 PM
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I had no idea any of this was even POSSIBLE, but DEAR GODS!!

/kegels kegels kegels kegels


Hrm, sounds like a great premise for a kegels advertisement, actually.
But they would have to only show it during adult hours, I suspect.
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