Are Weddings Financially Stupid?

[Wildest Bill]

I think YES! I mean you spend all that money for that event that last at best 5 to 6 hours. And for a decent wedding cost between 8 to 40 grand. Man, that is a car or two or three(that will last longer than one day). You are probably saying to yourself what am I getting so riled up about now?

Well, you see I have TWO daughters and in our culture I am suppose to pay for these lavish events. No wonder a father always wants a boy when his wife is expecting. He knows all he has to pay for then is a rehersal dinner and a Tux. . Seriously, though I love my girls I am still not going to like writing the check to that pansy wansy "Frac"(or however you spell his name) from the movie "Father of the Bride."

That is another thing that I think is not fair how come the father of the bride has got to eat the whole amount? Who came up with that stupid tradition? I think it would be fair that both families split that cost down the middle. And I think that should be changed. Can you change a tradition?

Well, you see I did see that movie the other night so it got me thinking about this wedding stuff. It was such a classic. Just a good family movie without a bunch of profanity, sex and violence(don't get me wrong I still like violent movies hey I am dude) but still very entertaining. Steve Martin is so funny and relatable.

I am so bad listen to this. My daughters are both young 14 and 8 and I tried to make a deal with them now to agree to elope when they get married. I told them I would give them 4 grand a piece but they have to agree now. And they(typical females) both said "no way dad we want to see you sweat like ole Steve Martin did." Then they smiled.

Does anybody feel the way I do?

[C3]

Your plan should be to raise your daughters to a) not be so materialistic that a $40,000 wedding appeals to them and b) be independent enough to see the value of waiting until they have the means to pay for their own weddings.
If you start now, you'll be set by the time they start talking weddings.

[Lissa]

Funny you should mention it. I just returned from a four-day extravaganza of a wedding. Total price tag: just under fifty thousand dollars (for less than a hundred guests). The bride's parents took out a second mortgage on their home to pay for it. I thought it was very silly . . . to spend all of that money for something intangible. Sure, you get the presents and the memories, but you've also just lumped a huge debt on somebody.

Another friend spent twenty thousand on her wedding. She's not close to her parents, so she shelled out the money herself, and started out her married life saddled with debt. The marriage lasted less than a year, too, and she's still not paid it all off.

My wedding cost about two hundred bucks. We were married at the JOP, and had a lovely dinner at a resturant following. Everyone had a great time, and the familes, grateful at being spared the expense, gave us a check that would have paid for a large wedding. Instead, we used the money as a down-payment on our house, which I personally think is a little smarter than blowing it all on a big party.

[Missy2U]

Well, me and the old ball-n-chain will most likely get married w/in the next 8 months. Or so he claims. He also said he would finish painting the living/dining room. That was over a year ago. So we'll see.

BUT, having said that, there's a non-denominational guy that goes on the road and will come to you who advertises in our local paper. So, we'll just call him, go to the bar with our friends, sing "We are the Champions", get drunk and go home. End of wedding.

Yeah, I'm romantic like that.

[Wildest Bill]

Amen to that Lissa I agree totally. Your plan made alot more sense.

Btw Does anybody know why the bride's family has to eat the wedding expense? Did the tradition start by some guy having an ugly daughter and that is the only way he get her married off is to pay for the wedding?

[Feynn]

"That is another thing that I think is not fair how come the father of the bride has got to eat the whole amount? Who came up with that stupid tradition?"

I believe that this tradition dates back to antiquity similar to that of providing a dowry. It would seem that women were so undervalued that the girl's parents had to pay someone to take her off their hands. The husband would then be responsible to care for the wife. The tradition of the bride's parents paying for all the expenses seems to be a dying tradition and more and more people sem to be avoiding these lavish and expensive weddings in favour of smaller more intimate ceremonies.

My friend was married 10 years ago and I believe that the wedding cost a small fortune. Everything was lavish and there were something like 300 guests at the reception. My friend hated it but his wife's parents were insistent that their daughter have a memorable wedding day. I think that every time they make a payment on their second mortage they remember the wedding.

[BiblioCat]

I agree with you pretty much.
I have seen brides spend money like there was no tomorrow on weddings and end up divorced within a few years.

You can have a nice wedding without spending a fortune. Sure, it won't be at the Ritz, with 400 of your closest friends, but you can pull off a nice event for a couple thousand bucks, or even a couple hundred bucks, depending on what you do.

When my hubby and I got married (second wedding for both of us), I wanted a "real" wedding, since I had eloped the first time, but hubby wanted something simple, since his first one was a huge event. We were planning on paying for it all ourselves, but my mom and my dad both insisted on giving us some money to help out. We compromised and had (in my opinion) a very nice event. We had 125 guests, the reception was at an Embassy Suites hotel. They had several different "packages" available. We went with the chicken dinner, $30 bucks a person. That included the appetizers, dinner, dessert, wedding cake, open bar, our room for the night, and a 15% discount for out-of-town wedding guests. It was very reasonable, compared to other places around town.

I bought my dress at a bridal consignment shop, a "real" wedding dress, for $300. Shoes from Payless. We each had a daughter from out 1st marriages, and they were my attendents, hubby had his friend be Best Man, and that was it. We bought the girl's dresses from Laura Ashley, $50 each, but better than $300 or more for traditional bridesmaid's dresses.

I got flowers from Michael's (a craft shop), artificial of course, and paid about $100 total for my bouquet, baskets for the girls, a headband/wreath thing for my hair, corsages for my mom, my stepmom, his mom and our sisters, boutonnieres (sp?) for hubby, Best Man and our fathers. You can spend literally thousands of dollars on flowers that are dead the next day. I still have my wedding flowers!

We just didn't do a lot of the fancy extras that add up.
We had a thread about this awhile ago and lots of people posted stories about how they spent $100 or so and had a nice simple wedding.

The key is too keep it simple. I have been to several weddings lately with 10 or 12 (or more!) bridesmaids. I can't even imagine asking 12 friends to shell out several hundred bucks for a dress they will wear once.
If you keep the guest list down, that helps, too. You just can't invite everyone you've ever known since 1st grade.
I have also seen weddings with vases of flowers all over the church, a little arrangement on the end of each pew and all over the altar. The darn things will be dead the next day!

[Dinsdale]

One thing my parents did, which I think was a sensible solution, was to give each of us 4 kids a chunk of money, IIRC $5G or so about 20 yrs ago, which would be our wedding present. If we chose not to get married, well, we just had the cash (actually it was in the form of stock, but...) If we wanted to elope or have a modest wedding, we could use the balance of the money towards a house or car downpayment, etc. If we wanted to spend it all on the wedding, they'd help us knock down the open bar. And if we wanted to spend more than that on our wedding, we were certainly free to look wherever we wanted for the additional cash needed.
Being a guy, I kinda made out well compared to my 3 sisters, but the p's didn't think it was fair to give them such a sizeable gift and stiff me.

[Wildest Bill]

Dinsdale,

You had three sisters? So did I. And I think it was great. I didn't have to share my clothes or toys with no mean ass big brother or a pain in the butt little brother. The other great thing was that they always invited their "girl" friends over.

[CrankyAsAnOldMan]

My quick and dirty answer is yes. We had a wedding thread here this summer, and a lot of people confessed to having modest affairs like mine. Our wedding was maybe $1500 (including my dress, I think), with another $2000 or so at the restaurant we went to afterwards.

Here's my take on it, though. If you want to approach a wedding as: this is the biggest party we'll ever throw, let's go all out and enjoy it, damn the expenses, then fine.

What's annoying (from my perspective) is when people spend a substantial amount of money on wedding-related stuff that they otherwise wouldn't give a crap about. You know, the stuff they do because "everyone else does it" but no other reason exists. If it's a party and a celebration, spend the damn money like you would if you were throwing any other kind of party! On the things you care about! It's that simple. Don't buy the $5,000 potrait photography package if you'd rather have a bunch of casual shots of your friends having a great time. Don't rent an aisle runner if you don't care about that. Don't stuff the church full of flowers (unless you're a big flower fan). Don't make your bridesmaids buy a bunch of "we all look alike" dresses if you like their personal taste in clothes.

My sister, otherwise a sensible human being, was in tears over being unable to find a feathered guest-book pen that matched her wedding colors. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about, because she otherwise doesn't give a crap about writing instruments. Sheesh.

I was cheap on photography because we're not big photography people. But I spent a lot on belgian chocolates for our wedding supper because I thought they were the best damn things I ever tasted and I wanted my guests to enjoy them too. And we were happy to pay a big restaurant bill because we loved feeding our friends and family well.

Dinsdale's parents were geniuses, BTW.

FWIW, more and more couples/families are splitting the costs. I know my in-laws paid for my BIL's wedding.

[Tabithina]

We kept our wedding as cheap as possible. We couldn't see the advantage of starting out our life together saddled with debt.
We each chose 50 guests. I found a street-length lace dress that I loved (I'm all feet; I would have found a way to get them ensnared in a long, satin train anyhow), Mr. Tabby wore a brand-new suit, and we kept the church ceremony short. We provided our guests with a buffet dinner a a local restaurant. They could buy booze at the bar if they wanted it.
The atmosphere was very relaxed, and we were able to foot the bill ourselves. Mr. Tabby still has the suit; it won't button anymore, but during the years it fit him, he DID wear it on the rare occasions he felt the need to.

We are a happy tightwad family, and proud of it !

[FairyChatMom]

Hubby and I eloped during lunch one day - our first married meal was McD's drive-thru. It was his second marriage and my first. I wasn't the kind of girl who dreamed of a fantasy wedding, and I honestly don't think I missed anything by eloping.
We have a daughter. She's been in 2 weddings and a guest at 2 others. Being the practical soul that she is, I know she'll opt for downpayment on a house over a fancy wedding and party.
I can't help wondering what sort of people mortgage their house for a party...

[kunilou]

I have to give Dinsdale's parents credit for sticking to their guns. My father decided my sisters could have four years of college OR a big wedding. Both of them quit college after a year or two and then had a modest wedding. To his dying day, my father figured he got the short end of it, but never could figure out how.

BTW, Mrs. Kunilou could have tapped her parents to pay for a lot more of the wedding festivities than they did, but she decided that since she was already grown up and on her own, it shouldn't be their responsibility anymore.

[Lord Derfel]

I'm getting married next year, and I don't think we're doing it in a financially stupid manner. We look at it as a huge party for our friends and family to get together and celebrate, probably the only time that we'll have all of these people together. We're saving money where we can, and not going to go broke over this - my mom is sewing the dress, our friend is baking the cake, a friend is doing photography, and my grandfather is buying the wine (my idea for a 50/50 draw got vetoed, darn it!).

BTW, Bill, I'm 25 - everyone I know who is getting married are paying (or paid) for it themselves. You're probably safe.

[Podkayne]

When I was the bride, the attitude we took on sharing expenses was the following: my family and my fiance and I expected to shoulder the burden. When his family offered to help out a little, we were pleased by their generosity.

Expecting the groom's family to help pay might be all modern and fair and enlightened and all, but it's money, and people get all wierd about money. If you get pushy about asking the groom's folks to pay for things, that's just going to create a rift between the two families--and that's no way to begin a marriage.

Side benefit: since we were contributing the bulk of the money, we got to do things our way. If the groom's family and kicks in half the dough, and then everything is planned by the bride and her mother, they might be miffed. Part of it being the bride's special day with everything exactly the way she wants it is that her folks foot the bill.

[Necros]

I'm dreading my (someday) wedding. I agree with most in this thread that lavish weddings are a huge waste of money. I want to be able to afford to invite about 50 people, and have an open bar all night. I think it's important to treat your guests well. I figure $10,000 should cover it. Then we can spend the rest of the money we may have spent on the wedding on our honeymoon. We're thinking about going to Cairo.

The problem is her mother. Her (my gf, not her mother) younger sister just got married, and it was heinous. Three hundred people, tons of flowers, etc. And her mother was all over the place, making sure things were perfect for her baby. I can't wait for her reaction when we tell her that the whole family isn't invited to the wedding. Ick.

[Dinsdale]

cranky - you have said elsewhere, haven't you, that you firmly believe that intelligence is inheritable. And you forgot to mention how good looking my folks were as well.

Bill, now I'm not sure I know where you're coming from. What would my childhood have been like if it hadn't been for playing dressup and makeup with my big sisters? But at least you and I both enjoyed it when my sisters' friends came over and we could invite all of our Barbies to a tea party.

Back to weddings, one unfortunate thing about blow outs is that in many (tho not all) cases, the wedding is more fun for just about everyone other than the bride and groom.

Our experience, at the time we got married, we were on the outs with Ms. D's dad (we had found out 8 months earlier that he was a bigamist, and that my bride-to-be had a teenage sister and brother she had never heard about. I guess we were petty, but it kinda made us feel uncharitably towards him.) We were gonna have a small, informal party, but my mother-in-law wanted it to be a blow-out, just like her other daughter had the year before. So we go along, reserve a big hall, invite a bunch of people we really couldn't care less about seeing. Then, the day before the wedding when we had to pony up with balances for the hall, etc., Ms. D's mom says all innocently, "Oh, you have to go see your father to get a check." And she just couldn't understand why we were the least bit upset about that!

[BiblioCat]

Originally posted by CrankyAsAnOldMan
My sister, otherwise a sensible human being, was in tears over being unable to find a feathered guest-book pen that matched her wedding colors. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about, because she otherwise doesn't give a crap about writing instruments. Sheesh.

Just to share more of my wedding...
When I went to the store to buy the little guest book for people to sign, the woman was HORRIFIED that I wasn't going to spend $12 on that stupid ostrich-feather pen to go with it. She kept saying I "HAD" to have one. Geez, get over it, lady.
I put the book on the little lecturn thing in the narthex of my church and there is a pen attached to that.
I can just imagine Martha Stewart and Emily Post discussing my wedding: "Can you believe Kinsey didn't have an ostrich-feather pen for the guest book?!? What is the world coming to?"

[Rhythmdvl]

With regards to why the bride's parents are typically expected to foot the bill: Who (in general) is the one (in the majority of cases - certainly not all!) who (again, generally speaking) wants (usually wants, of course) the (that is a quite non-threatening article, no?) wedding? Forgetting any parenthetical commentaries for the moment, there are a lot more women than men reading Modern Bride. I don't know of any guy friends who pretended to be a groom as a kid. Guys typically don't go much for weddings. You get the point.

Again, there are exceptions (look at all the posts here) but since it is daddy's little girls who are looking for such and such celebration, it ends up falling either on her to do it herself (with her fiancée's support, duh) or turn to Pa to get some dough. Again, please don't hurt me for this, I am just saying, s'all….

[Nimue]

I got married six months ago (church wedding) and I think we were pretty smart about spending money. The wedding was just what we wanted, and we didn't get sucked into the whole deal of buying loads of overpriced wedding stuff. In all it cost a couple of thousand. We had just under 50 guests, and the most expensive part was the reception (about 1/3 of the budget), although it was a conservative affair. We paid for it all ourselves, although we did get some cash gifts that we put towards the debt afterwards.

I read in wedding mags that the average price of weddings in the UK this year is nearly £12,000 (just under $20,000). Things in general do tend to be more expensive here, but IMHO as soon as you put the attach the "wedding" label to any service or goods, the price triples or more.

[lolagranola]

I have never fantasized about a big wedding. I really don't like 99% of wedding dresses I see. My first wedding (not surprisingly) cost $50. I hate formal weddings and I cringe at the cost.

My second wedding will be more expensive, mainly because I'd like to combine the wedding with a honeymoon (which I didn't take the first time) and elope somewhere. Either a sweet wedding on a sandy beach, or the tackiest wedding I can think of in Vegas. I understand they have a wide variety of wedding chapels there.

At any rate, the guest list will be limited to my sister and my best friend, if they want to travel with us. Maybe I'll insist they dress up as Klingons and we'll see if we can get married in the Star Trek Hilton.

[dal_timgar]

i think going into debt for just the wedding in ridiculous. i could see the parents, of husband and wife, coming up with down payment on a house and then having an inexpensive wedding in the house. but to blow a lot on just the event is absurd. almost as dumb as spending a lot on funerals.

Dal Timgar

money is for the living

[Sublight]

Wildest Bill, here's a solution you may want to consider:

When I was in college, one of my roommates (from Taiwan) told me that in China/Taiwan, the groom's family pays for the wedding. With that in mind, his parents were encouraging all the sons to marry western women and the daughters to marry Chinese men, thus avoiding having to pay for any of them. At the time, my rommate's gf was Taiwanese, so their plan didn't seem to be working out that well.

--sublight.

[anya marie]

i am one of four daughters, the oldest, the next oldest siater is engaged, that wedding will be three years away.(best guess)

i do not know what kind of weddding i want, but i do know that i am not going to soak my parents for a $40G wedding bill, i will make sure that the fellow i marry knows
this. i am fairly sure my parents will offer to help, if that is what they want. i wil do all the planning.

fwfw martha stewart and modern bride are not invited so why should i care what they want! and like lolagranola do not like most of the dresses.

and if you let someone else do all the paying, you are not as involved in the planning. you have much more control when you pay your own way(a no-brainer i know)

[Medea's Child]

mmm... wedding... I was just thinking about flying out to California and seeing what could happen from there.

Seriously, I don't want a big ceremony, but I do want a great party. Enough of a ceremony so I can wear a dress with a long train and a veil. (I want to be able to conceal the fact that I will be barefoot and laughing hysterically) None of that 400 closest friends bit. If not under fifty people then well under a hundred.

As for paying, since I am planning on marrying an independantly wealthy rock star... nevermind. Like the rest of my life, my parents will probably chip in a bit, but I'm on my own for the most part.

I will have flowers though, I like flowers.

[Eo Echo]

I am a week away from the second wedding I am to participate in as a groomsman. I'll tell you, being in weddings is really turning me off to the whole concept. It just seems unnecessarily overblown. In both cases the groom's parents house is the location, and even then all those involved in the planning appeared to be straining under the stress. The first couple (still happily married after 2 years and now 2 kids) were EXTREMELY relieved when the whole ordeal was over.

As the "professional bachelor" in my group of friends, I'm definitely leaning toward Las Vegas if the time ever comes for me. Of course, I say that knowing the girl in question will probably talk me into whatever bridal fantasy she's been harboring since childhood...

I guess that's the point. The men often just go with the flow. Until their daughters are engaged, of course...

[tubagirl]

My wedding was 2 months ago. My husband wanted the "big" wedding, and I wanted to elope. We ended up having a medum sized wedding due to his extensive family living in the area. The problem was that my dad had been unemployed up until 3 months prior, but insisted on paying everything. I decided to have my wedding on the beach. It was free and also the place I was proposed to at. The men wore hawaiian shirts and khakis, and the women wore sun dresses. The flower girl and I were in full-out wedding regalia.

The reception was at my parents house. It was a cake and champagne reception with a few appetizers. We had around 60-80 people there.

total cost= $2600.00

I would have rather had the money for a honeymoon, but it was a beautiful sunset ceremony on Florida shores. I can't beleive when I hear that someone's wedding cost over 10,000K. It is rediculous! You get a house down payment out of that! I just didn't need it...

[User 10K]

My wedding cost about $1,000 dollars.

I didn't elope, just invited family, and "rented" the community college lobby where my dad is assistant dean. His cooking school did the catering cheap and very professionally. (I think they were graded on it!)

But you're right, even at that, it was too expensive for a half-day party. I would have been happy to elope, but mom insisted.

[FairyChatMom]

An acquaintance of mine had a unique approach for her wedding. She invited a bunch of people over to her house for a cookout. Midway thru the afternoon she announced that it was time for the wedding. She and her sweetie exchanged their vows in front of a JP right there in the yard, then they all went back to partying. I wish I'd thought to do that!

[techchick68]

I am my father's only daughter and he is not exactly hurting in the money department.

Knowing the type of man he is, he would want to have a hell of a celebration for his only daughter. He loves to put together this type of event and fund it, along with drinking all that booze. However, I am not a big wedding fan so here's what I told him.

If I ever get married, it will be in a small town on the Western Slope of Colorado (Powderhorn ski area to be exact -- it's been my dream for years) at a justice of the peace...I am not religious though my family is. In attendence will only be extremely close family and a best friend or two which I will pay for their trip. I am not big at being a center of attention in that manner so this is perfect for me.

Now, after the wedding and a brief jaunt to have wild sex (aka honeymoon in a mountain town,) have a huge party, western style (no not country)with barbeque, beer, a band, volleyball, horseshoes etc...very casual and a buttload of fun is all I ask. This way your guests can be casual, enjoy a good time and not worry if they spill champagne on their favorite outfit. Also, formal affairs and I do not get along. I would rather poke my eye with a needle than have to wear high heals and a dress that costs thousands of dollars for one day.

I refuse to go the route that step-brother did and have a huge wedding at a church, limos to the country club and only giving your guests two choices of meat. Oh and yes, I have three bridesmaids dresses that are collecting dust -- one friend was smart and found outfits for us girls that we can wear on a regular basis. Not going to do that to my friends or sis-in-laws.

This way my father can live out the fantasy that his daughter isn't a total freak and is wedable (is that even a word?) and party it up, techchick style. I don't think it will break the bank and I am more than willing to fund such a party myself. Knowing my father though, I wont need to worry about it.

[zbrosdad]

My observation has been that the future success of a marriage is usually inversely proportional to the size of the wedding party. Put another way, is it the person or the party that you're after.

[DoctorJ]

One of my best friends from college got married last year. His bride was one of those who took an entire year to make sure her wedding would look exactly like every other wedding since the beginning of time. Thing is, she wasn't really happy about it all, and couldn't believe the $20 grand they were spending. Her justification? "I'm afraid I'll get older and regret not having had a big wedding." WTF?

My mother and I, increasingly birds of a feather as I get older, always add up the cost every time we get a wedding invite. ("There's a dollar's worth of postage in this thing," she'll say.) We then multiply that by the number of people they had to have invited if they got around to us, and think of what they could have bought for that.

Should Tamara and I ever get around to tying the knot, we're going to rent out a guest house in the French Quarter for 2 or 3 nights. Anyone who wants to can drive down with us. (We may or may not ask them to kick in on it, depending on whether I'm making doctor money yet.) One of those nights, we're going to find someone with a minister's/judges licence and a thick N'awlins accent to perform a ten minute ceremony. Then we'll move the wedding party to the Gumbo Shop, and then to either Donna's or the Funky Butt, depending on the band. (Tamara wants to do all this on Halloween, and have everyone dress up in costumes.

I tell people this, and they can't believe we're bucking tradition to that degree. OK, I say, we'll dress up in impractical clothes that make us look nothing like ourselves, drag a couple hundred people we don't like to a church (in which you'd never find either of us for any other occasion), have a preacher repeat some tripe about how a beautiful rose has thorns*, then convene in Ballroom 3B of the local Sheraton to eat bad chicken and dance to the DJ stylings of Big Ed's Outrageous Music Machine. That would be a much better celebration of our love, wouldn't it?

Cheezit, weddings bug me.

Dr. J

* Every time I'm at a wedding and the preacher starts talking about how marriage is beautiful like a rose but you have to watch out for the thorns, I have an overwhelming urge to jump up and belt out, "Just like eeeeee-vry night has it's dawwwwwwn!"

[Shirley Ujest]

Originally posted by Kinsey

Just to share more of my wedding...
When I went to the store to buy the little guest book for people to sign, the woman was HORRIFIED that I wasn't going to spend $12 on that stupid ostrich-feather pen to go with it. She kept saying I "HAD" to have one. Geez, get over it, lady.
I put the book on the little lecturn thing in the narthex of my church and there is a pen attached to that.
I can just imagine Martha Stewart and Emily Post discussing my wedding: "Can you believe Kinsey didn't have an ostrich-feather pen for the guest book?!? What is the world coming to?"

Crap, I didn't even have the damn book. I'm doooooooom ( and I couldn't be happier)

[Shirley Ujest]

Off the path here, but amusing...

One of our friends has stood up in something like 12 weddings over the years. He vows that when he gets married he is going to have every guy that he has ever stood up for in that damned tuxedo wear a clown suit for the ceremony.

I personally would love to see this.

Back on path here.


PS- I think weddings are over blown and over priced.

[Stoid]

and this will be my first and last wedding.

I would like to have alot of money to spend on it, but I won't go into debt for it.

What I want the money for is to take it out of town. Nothing seems more depressing to me than planning for months, spending a fortune, and then watching the party end after 4 hours. I want to make it a whole weekend.

And i was a serious party because at my age, the only way I can get my friends to dance is to make it a requirement at my wedding.

I have plenty of time...we've been engaged for two years and we arent' getting married for at least 2 more.

stoid

[DRY]

Originally posted by Medea's Child
mmm... wedding... I was just thinking about flying out to California and seeing what could happen from there.

If this is for the reason I think it is, I'll pay for it.

Re the OP: I think the whole idea of the bride's family paying for the wedding is rather silly. I do believe that it does date back to times where there were "dowries", but in this two income household day and age, it's a pretty outmoded tradition.

[BiblioCat]

Originally posted by Shirley Ujest
Crap, I didn't even have the damn book. I'm doooooooom ( and I couldn't be happier)

No great loss, Shirley. Mine had space for about 2,000 people to sign, so of course mine only has like 3 or 4 pages used. I still don't get it...why do I need the sigs of people who were at the wedding? It was one of those things I had to sorta "give in" on to please Mom.