Fucking Dumbass Piece of Shit Spector Jury

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They’re going to let another celebrity get away with fucking murder. Goddam morons are apparently deadlocked. Who in the hell in their right mind would believe that a woman would choose the entry hall of a virtual stranger’s home, with her purse on her shoulder, to stick his gun in her own mouth to commit suicide? A stranger who has a history of threatening multiple women with a gun when they tried to leave his house, by the way! And who fucking confessed to his limo driver immediately after having done it! He CONFESSED, you brain-diseased shitstains!

Jesus!

The government damn well better re-file or I may have to go apeshit on someone’s ass.

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Shayna, did you ever serve on a jury? Because, you know, you have to base your decision on, you know, the evidence? Not what you THINK you know. And while Mr. Spector may have in fact told his driver that “I think I killed someone”, the driver may in fact have made it up! Deciding who’s telling the truth in a situation like that is not the slam dunk you seem to imagine it to be.

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[QUOTE=Shayna]
They’re going to let another celebrity get away with fucking murder. Goddam morons are apparently deadlocked. Who in the hell in their right mind would believe that a woman would choose the entry hall of a virtual stranger’s home, with her purse on her shoulder, to stick his gun in her own mouth to commit suicide? A stranger who has a history of threatening multiple women with a gun when they tried to leave his house, by the way! And who fucking confessed to his limo driver immediately after having done it! He CONFESSED, you brain-diseased shitstains!
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Was any of this evidence you relate actually submitted to the trial? If not, then don’t fault the jury for failing to take it into account.

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[QUOTE=kayT]

Shayna, did you ever serve on a jury? Because, you know, you have to base your decision on, you know, the evidence? Not what you THINK you know. And while Mr. Spector may have in fact told his driver that “I think I killed someone”, the driver may in fact have made it up! Deciding who’s telling the truth in a situation like that is not the slam dunk you seem to imagine it to be.
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Well golly gee, you know, I, you know, never knew that, you know?

Sometimes, you know, it’s just common fucking sense, you know?

After at least 4 or 5 other incidents where he threatened women with guns when they tried to leave his house, what are the odds that he just happened upon a woman suicidal enough to want to use his gun to kill herself as she was walking out the door with her purse on her shoulder? But this group of dumb fucks fell for the smoke and mirrors again. It’s fucking O.J. all over again.

Yes, psychonaut, that was all entered into evidence.

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[QUOTE=Shayna]

After at least 4 or 5 other incidents where he threatened women with guns when they tried to leave his house
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Actually I think there were 6.

There’s also the fact that he was drunk when it happened, and multiple people (including friends of his) testified that he got obnoxious and somewhat violent when drunk.
Well, yeah, so I watch Court TV after lunch instead of taking my siesta. :wink:

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[QUOTE=Shayna]
Who in the hell in their right mind would believe that a woman would choose the entry hall of a virtual stranger’s home, with her purse on her shoulder, to stick his gun in her own mouth to commit suicide?
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I’m with you on all the other stuff, but what’s weird about carrying a purse on your shoulder?

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[QUOTE=Zoggie]
I’m with you on all the other stuff, but what’s weird about carrying a purse on your shoulder?
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It might indicate that she was leaving?

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[QUOTE=Zoggie]
I’m with you on all the other stuff, but what’s weird about carrying a purse on your shoulder?
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I think her point is, most women would set their purse down before they offed themselves.

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[QUOTE=Shayna]
Well golly gee, you know, I, you know, never knew that, you know?

Sometimes, you know, it’s just common fucking sense, you know?

After at least 4 or 5 other incidents where he threatened women with guns when they tried to leave his house, what are the odds that he just happened upon a woman suicidal enough to want to use his gun to kill herself as she was walking out the door with her purse on her shoulder? But this group of dumb fucks fell for the smoke and mirrors again. It’s fucking O.J. all over again.

Yes, psychonaut, that was all entered into evidence.
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Perhaps the jury believed Dr. Di Maio when he testified that the forensic evidence indicated suicide. Perhaps the jurors credited the testimony of Jennifer Hayes-Riedl and Punkin Irene Elizabeth Laughlin concerning how depressed the victim was. It could be that this belief was buttressed after learning that the deceased had forged glowing letters about her work from directors and producers. It might be that the jurors were persuaded by the testimony of Dr. Michael Baden that the blood on Spector’s clothing was coughed up, not spattered. And this theory was confirmed by the testimony of Dr. Werner Spitz, who the jurors may have believed.

Perhaps you would care to share just what it was about their testimony that you found inherently incredible and unbelievable?

And if you wish to play “what are the odds,” why should we convict him – what are the odds that a world-famous music legend would shoot a woman in his own home? If the evidence indicates he didn, then the odds are good; if it doesn’t, or is subject to reasonable disagreement, then “the odds” is a useless question. I don’t know what the odds are that he happened upon a suicidal woman, but if the physical evidence indicates that he did, then that changes the odds in his favor, doesn’t it? And according to doctors Di Maio, Baden, and Spitz, the evidence says suicide.

Why are they unquestionaly, incontrovertibly wrong?

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[QUOTE=Shayna]
Well golly gee, you know, I, you know, never knew that, you know?

Sometimes, you know, it’s just common fucking sense, you know?

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As I asked before, have you ever been on a jury?

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[QUOTE=Miller]
I think her point is, most women would set their purse down before they offed themselves.
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Ah, yes. Good point. After all, you can’t take it with you. …or can you?

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[QUOTE=Bricker]
And according to doctors Di Maio, Baden, and Spitz, the evidence says suicide.

Why are they unquestionaly, incontrovertibly wrong?
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Why are the prosecution experts “unquestionaly[sic], incontrovertibly wrong”?

I am not being snarky, I want to hear what *you *think.

I personally think he did it. I think he might not have meant to kill her, but he did something criminally stupid.

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[QUOTE=Rysto]

It might indicate that she was leaving?
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Exactly. And exactly as described by 5 other women, that Spector threatened them with a gun when they dared to try to leave.
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Perhaps you would care to share just what it was about their testimony that you found inherently incredible and unbelievable?
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Yeah, I almost predicted in the OP that your arrogant ass would be along to play retired attorney in my “RO thread.” I found their testimony to be bought by the defense, contradicted by the prosecution witnesses and therefore not infallible or un-refutable, and coupled with the un-refuted testimony from the limo driver that Spector confessed, not the least bit compelling.

Well, seeing as how he actually did it, having confessed to it and all, I’d say 100%.

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[QUOTE=Shayna]
Well, seeing as how he actually did it, having confessed to it and all, I’d say 100%.
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Too bad that’s not the standard.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m a little disappointed in the jury, especially after hearing the points of instruction that 3 jurors weren’t clear on and wanted clarification of (one wanted the judge to again explain the difference between “reasonable doubt” and “just doubt”- dude, after 5 days?!?).

But the fact remains that the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused is guilty based on the evidence presented. If they aren’t able to do that to the satisfaction of all 12 members of the jury, the accused goes free.

Does the system sometimes suck? Absolutely. But it’s the one we have.

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[QUOTE=Shayna]
Exactly. And exactly as described by 5 other women, that Spector threatened them with a gun when they dared to try to leave.
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Yeah but how many did he shoot in the face hmmmm…?

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[QUOTE=Shayna]
Well, seeing as how he actually did it, having confessed to it and all, I’d say 100%.
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It’s worth noting that this is not one juror gumming up the works. It’s not even close. The news is reporting that the jury is deadlocked 7-5 without disclosing which way it is leaning.

You can hammer on the judicial process all you want for not giving you the result you want, but this is potentially more than half of the jury, over 40% at the minimum, that plainly disagrees with you. That is not indicative of a slam dunk case.

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[QUOTE=EJsGirl]

Does the system sometimes suck? Absolutely. But it’s the one we have.
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And that means I can’t rant about it because. . . ?
[QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF]

It’s worth noting that this is not one juror gumming up the works. It’s not even close. The news is reporting that the jury is deadlocked 7-5 without disclosing which way it is leaning.
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Did I say or imply otherwise anywhere? What makes you think I had the impression there was one, lone idiot?

And 100% of the O.J. jurors bought into the defense’s smoke and mirrors games, too. That doesn’t make them, or the 5 or 7 Spector jurors any less morons, does it?

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[QUOTE=Shayna]
They’re going to let another celebrity get away with fucking murder. Goddam morons are apparently deadlocked.

The government damn well better re-file or I may have to go apeshit on someone’s ass.
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So they might not let him get away murder? Or they will? Your own argument is deadlocked.

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[QUOTE=Shayna]
And 100% of the O.J. jurors bought into the defense’s smoke and mirrors games, too.
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Or, they didn’t feel that the prosecution was able to present their case adequately.

Rant away, honey. I get worked up sometimes about the system too, but in the OP you sounded like the guy killed your grandma…

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Feel free to rant, Shayna. I’ve seen news reports of some totally bizarre verdicts over the years. But the key point is, when you’re convicting someone of a crime – and it goes double for a capital crime – the evidence has to convince a jury, generally unanimously, that the accused committed the crime alleged and that this has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. It’s not “most likely did it” or “so-and-so says he confessed to doing it” or “it’s highly improbable that some other explanation happens to be true” – it’s proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

And that’s a good thing – a few guilty people are no doubt walking the streets, but we’re minimizing the number of innocent people we lock up and destroy the lives of for crimes they did not commit.

I find “celebrity-gets-off” criminal trials to be just as objectionable as you do – but unless you can come up with a better way of ensuring justice is done, it’s what we have to work with.