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Old 10-13-2008, 12:41 AM
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What happens if a dog/wolf is bitten by a werewolf?

Stupid question, but there it is for your consideration. Since werewolves are (mostly, I hope) fictional, I stuck it in Cafe Society. Any ideas?
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:52 AM
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Well, in 3e D&D, only humanoids and giants can contract lycanthrophy. If a werewolf bites a creature of a different category, such as a wolf (animal), centaur (monstrous humanoid), or succubus (outsider), there is no effect beyond the bite itself.
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:53 AM
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Werewolves biting centaurs...it does nothing? Damnit! The idea of a were-centaur is too awesome to pass up!
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:55 AM
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For three nights every month it turns quadropedal and hairy.
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Old 10-13-2008, 01:14 AM
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This happens.
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:29 AM
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That stuff about passing on the curse of lycanthropy by biting somebody is pure Hollywood, not part of old legends.

However, given the premise . . . a wolf bitten by a werewolf would periodically turn into a human being. Since human beings are far more dangerous than wolves, that could be scary.
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:37 AM
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That stuff about passing on the curse of lycanthropy by biting somebody is pure Hollywood, not part of old legends.

However, given the premise . . . a wolf bitten by a werewolf would periodically turn into a human being. Since human beings are far more dangerous than wolves, that could be scary.
I understand that someone has written a story with this premise, and the result is terrifying -- to the transformed wolf. He finds people chasing him because he has no clothes and is constantly breaking social mores he's not aware of. It's apparently written as a humorous piece, but I've never read it or even encountered it, and don't know who the author is. It sounds like the kind of this Fredric Brown would have done, but I;'ve read a huge amount of his stuff, and not run across it, so I don't think it's one of his.
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:00 AM
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Perhaps the dog turns into a wolf every full moon ?

And the wolf bitten by a werewolf . . . turns into a wolf. So there can be werewolf-wolves all over, but you can't tell because they look just like all the other wolves . . .
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:48 AM
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What if a werewolf bites another werewolf?

What if a werewolf bites Frankenstein's Monster? Or Dracula? The Wolfman fought both in the Classic (IMHO) Film Abbott & Costello Meet Frankenstein, but the ending was such that the possibility of passing on lycanthropy was precluded.

I think a movie about two werewolves fighting it out would be neat.
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Old 10-13-2008, 08:07 AM
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obligatory Pratchett quote

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Angua: "You're asking for a bite."
Gaspode: "Oh, yeah. Yeah, you'll bite me. Aaargh. Oh, yes, that'll really worry me, that will. I mean, think about it. I've got so many dog diseases I'm only alive 'cos the little buggers are too busy fighting among 'emselves. I mean, I've even got Licky End, and you only get that if you're a pregnant sheep. Go on. Bite me. Change my life. Every time there's a full moon, suddenly I grow hair and yellow teeth and have to go around on all fours. Yes, I can see that making a big difference to my ongoing situation. Actually, I'm definitely on a losing streak in the hair department, so maybe a, you know, not the whole bite, maybe just a nibble--"
for the non pratchett readers Angua = werewolf, Gaspode = talking dog.

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Old 10-13-2008, 08:32 AM
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I recall a scene in the rather amusing Full Moonster, where it was discovered by the hero by accident that a human biting a werewolf turns the werewolf human. At least temporarily; the werewolf was rather surprised.

Of course this is the kind of book that includes heavily armed nihilistic werewolves riding weremotorcycles.
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:19 AM
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Ah, but what hapens if you get them wet after midnight?
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:13 AM
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That stuff about passing on the curse of lycanthropy by biting somebody is pure Hollywood, not part of old legends.
So in old legends, how did you pass on lycanthropy?
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:57 AM
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Depending on who you talked to back in the Old Days, lycanthropy could be brought on by:
  • Being born on Christmas
  • Drinking water from a wolf's paw print
  • Eating a wolf's brain
  • Sleeping naked outdoors under a full moon
  • Performing a ritual asking nature gods for the ability to turn into a wolf
  • Creating an ointment from various nasty ingredients and rubbing it on yourself, then putting on a wolfskin girdle
  • Being cursed by a sorcerer or witch, or sometimes even a saint
  • Making a pact with the devil in exchange for the aforementioned ointment and wolfskin girdle

That's a sampling, anyway. Mostly European werewolf lore there.
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:01 PM
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Or being the seventh son? That's what wiki said, and there are names you can give to your seventh son to ward off the curse.
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:35 PM
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The book is Howling Mad by Peter David. It's pretty good. One interesting aspect is that the reverse werewolf, when he is human, is sort of an uber human- just as a werewolf is more dangerous than a regular wolf. And instead of being driven to hunt and kill, he's mostly driven to watch TV and drink beer.
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:39 PM
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The werewolf takes another bite, then another, and so on, until his or her belly is full.
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Old 10-13-2008, 01:00 PM
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I read a novel back in the late '80s or early '90s about a wolf that had been bitten by a werewolf. He turned human during the full moon, got a girlfriend, spent the daylight hours in his girlfriend's apartment as a dog, and during the non-full moon periods, went back to his pack, where he had a mate and cubs.

The werewolf who bit him happened to be the coroner in the village, and was running a torture dungeon in his basement. He and a friend of his had been cursed by a gypsy they were murdering. The friend became a vampire, and wound up as a homeless bum in a big city.

I wish I could remember the name of the book.
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Old 10-13-2008, 01:37 PM
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My Googlefu is limited on this crappy work computer, but I have a book where the protagonist is called the Fox...and there's a conjunction of moons, so that all the weres turn into animals, but they come across a very hairy, stupid man who turns back into a bear when the moons pass. Memory fail!
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Old 10-13-2008, 03:00 PM
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Jack Chalker's Dancing Gods books* have one character who becomes a pure were -- he takes on the character of whatever animal he happens to be near when the moon is full.

*Which I highly recommend, if only for the concept of the Rulebook, which guides everything in the world. ("Weather and climate permitting, all beatiful maidens must be scantily clad.")
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Old 10-13-2008, 03:07 PM
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I can't help with the OP, but has anyone ever read "The Wolfen" by Whitley Streiber? It's definitely the best werewolf book I've read.
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Old 10-13-2008, 04:19 PM
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The Harry Dresden "Wizard" novels handled this one. "Werewolf" actually could mean several different things. People with the magic talent to turn into wolves; people involuntarily transmogrified into wolves by someone else's magic; the magic wolfskin device; people who didn't transform physically but were wolf-spirit berserkers; and the most feared of all, the Loup Garou, a wolf-demon or wolf-monster of supernatural strength and indestrucibility. And of course there was also a wolfwere, a wolf that could turn into a human.

So a wolf could conceivably turn into a Loup Garou.

And can you imagine a more humilating curse than to be a weredog? Someone who turns into a basset hound or a poodle every full moon?
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Old 10-13-2008, 04:29 PM
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There are no medically verified reports of lycanthropy affecting either dogs or wolves. The infrequent historical anecdote likely arises from folkloric accounts of rabies, which of course can be readily transmitted from canine to human. Lycanthropy, on the other hand, is in fact relatively difficult for even humans to contract (despite the ongoing media-driven misrepresentation on this topic), typically requiring the introduction of morphocytotic cells into the victim's bone marrow, and subject to a host of diverse external and immunological factors. From a survey of the available literature, it has been estimated that fewer than 1 in 45 of such injuries result in transmission, by contrast with approx. 1 in 30: mortality rate as a result of systemic infection (Fahy, 1989).

Given the nature and structure of the lycanthropic microbe, many early researchers speculated that introduction into a canine host would result in an inverted transmission cycle-- a "reverse werewolf," so to speak. However, experiments carried out in the 1920s failed to demonstrate this effect, and later research has demonstrated conclusively that L-1 is human-specific: its microbial genome encompasses only lupine morphocytotic sequencing compatible with human mRNA, and its transmembrane dimers are incompatible with canine cell receptors (Drake, 1992).
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Old 10-13-2008, 04:30 PM
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Werewolves are an instance of an inherent imbalance in the natural order. If a werewolf bites a normal wolf, the cosmic balance is restored: The bitten wolf isn't affected any more than by any other bite, but the were is cured.

Unfortunately, werewolves being unnatural as they are, they've lost the instinct to bite anything but humans. So this spontaneous cure seldom happens except in carefully controlled circumstances.
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Old 10-13-2008, 05:10 PM
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I understand that someone has written a story with this premise, and the result is terrifying -- to the transformed wolf. He finds people chasing him because he has no clothes and is constantly breaking social mores he's not aware of. It's apparently written as a humorous piece, but I've never read it or even encountered it, and don't know who the author is. It sounds like the kind of this Fredric Brown would have done, but I;'ve read a huge amount of his stuff, and not run across it, so I don't think it's one of his.
Wolves Don't Cry is a serious and marvelous take on a wolf who finds himself transformed into a man.

RE D&D

That would be a Wolwere. While werewolves are humans who become half wolf, wolweres are wolves who can become human. They have the additional power of a literally enchanting singing voice.

In White Wolf's Werewolf The Apocalypse RPG, werewolves are born not made by biting. There are three breeds of Garou,- Homid humans who turn into wolves, Metis who are the sterile offspring of two werewolves, and Lupus who are wolves that can turn into men. One tribe of werewolves, the Red Talons, is made up exclusively of Lupus stock. While most of the werewolf tribes breed with wolves, one tribe The Bone Gnawers has been known to breed with feral street dogs. So in White Wolf's World Of Darkness, there is a remote but real possibility that the mutt you rescue from the pound or street is a werewolf.


Terry Pratchett

Has addressed the issue in HogFather. One character is a wolf who becomes a half human creature during the full moon.
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Old 10-13-2008, 05:34 PM
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In the Discworld novel Reaper Man there is a wolf that was bitten by a werewolf and becomes Human at the full moon. A bit embarassing, since the transformation doesn't include clothing. He has to hide stashes of clothes around and make sure he's near them.
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Old 10-13-2008, 05:38 PM
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Of course Reaper Man! Not Hogfather.
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Old 10-13-2008, 05:55 PM
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The Harry Dresden "Wizard" novels handled this one. "Werewolf" actually could mean several different things. People with the magic talent to turn into wolves; people involuntarily transmogrified into wolves by someone else's magic; the magic wolfskin device; people who didn't transform physically but were wolf-spirit berserkers; and the most feared of all, the Loup Garou, a wolf-demon or wolf-monster of supernatural strength and indestrucibility. And of course there was also a wolfwere, a wolf that could turn into a human.

So a wolf could conceivably turn into a Loup Garou.
Of course, none of these effects could be transmitted via bite, as Bob repeatedly pointed out. So, the hypothetical wolf-turned-loup-garou would have to have somehow pissed off a really powerful being (on the order of a saint, one of the Faerie Queens, or a Wyldfae lord like the Erlking) enough to get slapped with the curse. For an ordinary wolf to manage such a thing would seem to require a very odd scenario. Of course, a saint wanting to create a horrific monster like a loup garou seems pretty strange, too.

More plausibly, one of the other types (werewolf, hexenwolf, or lycanthrope), could wind up the recipient of such a curse, thereby becoming two different forms of werewolf at once: a squarewolf.


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And can you imagine a more humilating curse than to be a weredog? Someone who turns into a basset hound or a poodle every full moon?
Callahan's Lady, by Spider Robinson, features a werebeagle in a minor role, along with a genuine talking dog. Both seemed relatively well-adjusted, for characters in a Robinson book.
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Old 10-13-2008, 05:58 PM
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I've read a short story that deals with this issue, but since it's a twist ending I'll spoiler both the title and summary.

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Ursula K. Le Guin's "The Wife's Story" is about a wife shocked to discover that when the moon is full, her husband makes a frightening transformation. The twist is not that the husband is a werewolf, which is implied early on, but that the wife is a wolf and her husband changes into a human.
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:06 PM
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And can you imagine a more humilating curse than to be a weredog? Someone who turns into a basset hound or a poodle every full moon?
There's a splatterpunk goth RPG called Nightlife. One of the adventures for it includes a man who is a werecat, not a tiger or lion but an ordinary orange pussycat. He tries to avoid becoming angry, as anger causes him to shift forms. He has no fighting skills whatsoever, but cannot be killed by anything except silver. He's carved out a niche working as a butler for other supernatural folk.

Another charcter mentioned briefly, is a were monitor lizard.
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:11 PM
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Of course, none of these effects could be transmitted via bite, as Bob repeatedly pointed out. So, the hypothetical wolf-turned-loup-garou would have to have somehow pissed off a really powerful being (on the order of a saint, one of the Faerie Queens, or a Wyldfae lord like the Erlking) enough to get slapped with the curse. For an ordinary wolf to manage such a thing would seem to require a very odd scenario. Of course, a saint wanting to create a horrific monster like a loup garou seems pretty strange, too.

More plausibly, one of the other types (werewolf, hexenwolf, or lycanthrope), could wind up the recipient of such a curse, thereby becoming two different forms of werewolf at once: a squarewolf.



Callahan's Lady, by Spider Robinson, features a werebeagle in a minor role, along with a genuine talking dog. Both seemed relatively well-adjusted, for characters in a Robinson book.
Oh, everyone in a Robinson book is well-adjusted, once they've thrown a few shot glasses in the fireplace, and told their story to the Drum Circle.

Or maybe I stopped reading Robinson too soon.
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:24 PM
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My Googlefu is limited on this crappy work computer, but I have a book where the protagonist is called the Fox...and there's a conjunction of moons, so that all the weres turn into animals, but they come across a very hairy, stupid man who turns back into a bear when the moons pass. Memory fail!
This is from Harry Turtledove's early novel "Werenight", part of the Gerrin the Fox series. It was originally published under the name Eric Iverson.
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:33 PM
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In Larry Niven's story What Good Is A Glass Dagger?, the lead character is a werewolf. In this story, werewolves are born, not made. In the story's climax,
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the villain casts a spell on him, draining him of all magic. He finds himself stuck in wolf form, and stripped of his human intelligence. He promptly mauls the villain to death. Afterward, he asks the Warlock what happened. The Warlock says, "We always assumed that werewolves were humans who magically transformed into wolves. But there was never any evidence one way or the other. Until now."

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