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Old 10-21-2008, 08:20 AM
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(legal) "Not Less Than One" [definition from staff report on serial killers]

In the staff report about sociopaths/serial killers, Gfactor quotes a definition from the U.S. legal code (underlining added by me)
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Originally Posted by 28 U.S.C. § 540B
The term “serial killings” means a series of three or more killings, not less than one of which was committed within the United States...
Does anyone have a reason for saying "not less than one" instead of "at least one"? I admit the possibility that it's just someone trying to sound more legal-like by being more obfuscatory, but wondered if there's some not-obvious reason for using the more awkward construction.


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Old 10-21-2008, 08:48 AM
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In the staff report about sociopaths/serial killers, Gfactor quotes a definition from the U.S. legal code (underlining added by me)
Does anyone have a reason for saying "not less than one" instead of "at least one"? I admit the possibility that it's just someone trying to sound more legal-like by being more obfuscatory, but wondered if there's some not-obvious reason for using the more awkward construction.
Mathematically, there is no difference between the two, assuming you are talking about whole numbers only.

In everyday English, there might be a connotation of "at least one" (and maybe a whole lot more!) vs. "not less than one" (if that!).
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Old 10-21-2008, 08:57 AM
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In the staff report about sociopaths/serial killers, Gfactor quotes a definition from the U.S. legal code (underlining added by me)
Does anyone have a reason for saying "not less than one" instead of "at least one"? I admit the possibility that it's just someone trying to sound more legal-like by being more obfuscatory, but wondered if there's some not-obvious reason for using the more awkward construction.
I'm pretty sure that in addition to being awkward, it's wrong.

It should be "...no less than..."
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Old 10-21-2008, 02:16 PM
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I'm pretty sure that in addition to being awkward, it's wrong.

It should be "...no less than..."
Well actually "... no fewer than..." unless you can have partial killings
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Old 10-23-2008, 01:21 PM
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I'm moving this thread from General Questions ot Comments on Staff Reports because the question is about something from a staff report.

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Old 10-23-2008, 01:22 PM
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I've also added some context to the thread title. Here is a link to the staff report: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...al-killers-etc
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:16 PM
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...Does anyone have a reason for saying "not less than one" instead of "at least one"? I admit the possibility that it's just someone trying to sound more legal-like by being more obfuscatory, but wondered if there's some not-obvious reason for using the more awkward construction.
Not that I can see. It's just a slightly more legalistic-sounding phrase. Were I drafting the law, I would use "at least one."
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:23 PM
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Well actually "... no fewer than..." unless you can have partial killings
You are referring to an urban legend, an old wives' tale, so to speak; an alleged rule of grammar that has no actual basis in fact. Rather than hijack the thread, I shall simply link to a previous discussion of this contrived shibboleth.

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