Helping out with some blues guitar recommendations

Okay in this thread, BubbaDog asked for some blues guitar recommendations - but just as importantly, he asked why we made whatever picks we put forth.

Some folks have gotten back to him, but I know of a bunch of blues-guitar-loving Dopers who may not know that his hijack was lurking in that slide thread, so I thought it would make more sense to start a new thread.

Okay, with all that in mind and a big emphasis on the “why” behind the recommendation, I will start with my first pick - Truth by the Jeff Beck Group…and yeah, this is one long-ass rationale, but we’re talking Truth here…:wink:

So with that as a set-up, let’s go: Truth, by the Jeff Beck Group, featuring Rod Stewart in his recorded debut on vocals, Ron Wood on bass (yes, that Ron Wood of the Faces and Rolling Stones and yes, playing bass not guitar) and Mickie Most on drums.

Context: Jeff Beck had left the Yardbirds – he would argue that he was fired; they would argue that he was nuts – I suspect the truth is somewhere in between. But while Jimmy Page was holding onto the Yardbirds name and legacy, he had helped Jeff with a single track, Beck’s Bolero, featuring Jimmy on rhythm guitar (a bolero rhythm – duh), and John Entwhistle on bass and Keith Moon on drums. The track is amazing, but when it came to actually forming a group, Ox and Moonie balked and went back to The Who, and Jimmy stuck with the Yardbirds, but recruited all new personnel to become the New Yardbirds which became Led Zeppelin. In the meantime, Beck found the unsigned vocalist Rod Stewart and Woody and Mickie Most and formed the Jeff Beck Group. So at the same time that Page was producing Led Zep 1, Beck was creating Truth as his first Jeff Beck Group album.

Now – why am I recommending it: okay, here’s the deal – you may find this surprising, but here’s a secret: the blues is both really easy and really hard to play. It is really easy because the rules are simple – you typically play a limited set of chords in a very specific sequence, yada yada yada – I mean, it’s the blues; how hard can it be? Could there be a bigger cliché than bad blues? “ I woke up this morning and a dog peed on my leg” – or whatever; insert your silly blues analogy here. (and no, I have no idea where I got line that from – humor me, okay?)

But….but – we all know that when it is done right, well, the blues get you right there. The obvious example is BB King – the brother literally cannot play guitar at the same time he is singing (and can only sing when he closes his eyes), cannot play chords – think about that; he does NOT play chords! - and when he does play, he whips out your basic, everyday, I-learned-it-when-I-was-young-buck simple three-note blues lick. But *damn *he can sting it – when he nails the vibrato on a note, if you have a pulse, you take notice. If I need to explain it further – well, go back and learn some BB King, okay? :wink:

Okay, so why bring that up while discussing Truth? The point is that with the blues, less is more and simpler is better. So, what if you had the taste of BB King AND the technical prowess of Eddie Van Halen? Well, you would play simple, meaningful tasty licks that any absolute beginner guitarist could play – but pick out notes and riffs and changes that come out of nowhere and make you take notice. Or, to put it another way: you know how Hemingway is known for his hard-boiled style? Very few words, simple words, stripped down to their barest meaning – but when these simple words were combined in an honest, knowing way, well there was a truth in there that could not be denied.

Okay, now pick up Truth by the Jeff Beck Group and listen to track 2, Let Me Love You. Jeez, where to begin with this song. It opens with a big, tasty, Zep-ish rhythm lick, but then Beck nails the first note of an opening lead before finishing that sentence with a little riffy aside. Just listen to it – big, thick, tasty; bent up and held, then letting the bend come down. And it sets up the most amazing intro lead – this guy is talking to you; he hits the notes very aggressively – this isn’t some breathy, romantic Santana lead, bitch! :smiley: – this guy is slamming notes IN YOUR FACE and bending the crap out of them. But not in an Eruption-hey-I-can-out-technique-you sort of way; this is more like a big, blues-shouting woman leaning into your face and belting her authority at you in very simple terms. This is Frances McDormand as the mom in Almost Famous lecturing Billy Crudup on the phone, putting Mr. Rockstar in his place. You WILL listen to this, and you WILL respect it – any questions?

Okay – now think about that: There is big difference between cockiness and authority. Between showing off and knowing who you are. Between arrogant strutting and saying something big you can back up. If you understand those distinctions, then you can hear what Beck is doing.

Jeff Beck claimed that with Truth, he had no interest in dazzling people – he wanted to say important things in the simplest way possible. Well, listen to that song – Rod Stewart delivers one of is best vocals ever (truly one of the great Wasted Talents IMHO) but only in support of the guitar – listen to the breaks where Beck plays lead lines and Stewart follows him with a vocal echo; it is very clear who is in charge, but Stewart is so good that he holds his own. But then listen to the lead – I just don’t know anything like it. The notes are so simple – I could play it when I was 15 and had just picked up a guitar – but where did he come up with this stuff?!

Okay – so this is one song. I haven’t touched on Shapes of Things – a blues rave-up of an old Yardbirds tune, or Beck’s Bolero (yes the one I mentioned above), You Shook Me which came out at the exact same time as the version Zep did on their first album, so you can compare them side-by-side. Or Morning Dew, an old folkie/bluesy tune which was regularly covered by the Grateful Dead (although if they ever heard Beck’s version, they should’ve just hung it up – his use of a wah pedal to get vocal tones out of his guitar is just amazing). And so on. There are some weak spots – Old Man River is tired and Blues Deluxe is a random ramble – but Rock my Plimsoul and I Ain’t Superstitious more than make up for those. And yes, he includes a fingerpicked version of Greensleeves, fercrissake - but damn if he doens’t pull it off.

How’s that for why?

Simply awesome. My greatest frustration is that I’m reading this fresh at work and will now have to wait until late in the day before I can sit at home in front of the stereo with a printed copy of this thread in hand and establish a new love for a song that, while long admired, I probably never really had a profound enough appreciation for.

This is an excellent look inside, Wordman. Thanks.

No, thank you, dude - I am just getting up in my hotel room and found the “someone posted to your thread” email generated by your post and went back and read this - jeez, remind me not to post when I am locked up in a hotel room, 4 days into a 5-day, 5-plane flight business trip and half in the bag on red wine (okay it was Stag’s Leap Petite Syrah, so no complaints ;)) late at night after a too-long dinner meeting with a bunch of physicians.

That was…a bit of a ramble; thank you for your indulgence. That particular song, to use the cliche, changed my life. You can’t hear something like his work on that song as a 15-year-old aspiring guitar player and ever listen to Ted Nugent the same way again…:cool:

Tell it, brother. Truth was released when I was fourteen, a time at which I was going through all kinds of changes as to what I liked and what kind of guitar-player I wanted to be. I had already been influenced by Eric Clapton and Cream to expand my horizons and try my hand at playing lead guitar. Although I know now that Truth was released before Led Zeppelin, I’m pretty sure that the gang of goofballs I hung around with and listened to music with acquired Truth and LZ at about the same time. We had long and vehement arguments about which album was better, and about the comparative virtues of the individual players. This was at a time when we all thought that there were factual answers to questions like “is Page a better guitarist than Beck?”, and that we were quite qualified to come up with those answers.

At fourteen, I was sure that Rod Stewart blew Robert Plant away, that Jeff Beck was better than Jimmy Page, and that Truth was superior to Led Zeppelin. I guess anyone with ears could tell the John Bonham was superior to Mickey Waller (Most was the producer, I think), and the bass contest seemed to be a tie. Some of my friends strongly preferred Led Zep, but I was convinced of the Truth. :smiley:

It’s always an interesting exercise to revisit Truth after all these years. There’s no real need to revisit the first Led Zeppelin album, because I’ve been hearing it from time to time ever since. The first thing I always notice is that Jimmy Page and Glyn Johns as producer and engineer made a better-sounding album than Mickey Most and whoever his engineer was. Led Zeppelin sounds awesome to me today, and Truth sounds uneven. In 1968, I didn’t know enough to recognize the difference. The second thing that stands out for me is how great Rod Stewart was as a rock singer. His disco years sometimes make me forget how great he was when he first started.

Then there is the guitarist. In 1968, I could not have articulated why I preferred Beck to Page. In 2009, I don’t need to, because WordMan just did it for me. :smiley: I don’t do “who is better” debates much any more. I just know that I love the was Beck plays on Truth. In the song you cited, he is very ballsy, playing strongly yet with great dynamic range and mixed right up front, and he plays in the blues idiom without being a slave to it, frequently playing notes from outside of the pentatonic and blues scales. And of course, he always adds something with his hands that make it uniquely Beck, something I can’t begin to explain or even describe. I’ll leave that to the more eloquent. I just know I love to hear it.

:smack:

Great observation - Page and Johns’ innovative production set the standard for rock recording for the next coupla decades…

Oh - hey! Here is a sound-only link to it on YouTube!

Jeez, look at Ron Wood (on the right) before Keith Richards got to him…:wink:

And here’s I Ain’t Superstitiouswith just the most amazing wah-pedal work - unfortunately the YouTube poster put it up with a really hokey set of visuals up front - but Beck’s vocal-like work is so damn good…okay, now the YouTube dude put up a photo of Beck with a Strat - no, he was all about his Les Paul on this album!!!

BD’s To do list
1 - Win lottery
2 - take controlling interest of Wordman’s company
3 - set up 5-day, 5-plane business trips for Wordman
4 - plant operative in day 4 location along with many physicians
5 - Make sure operative has an adequate supply of Stag’s Leap Petitie Syrah
6 - wait patiently by computer for output

All kidding aside I feel kind of honored that I got this rolling.

But this stuff is like candy to me. Gimmee, gimmee, gimmee more!

Too funny - that’s very gracious of you; thanks.

I have to pack up and run to the airpot - off to San Francisco! Our meeting there is at 1pm - it’s the big one where we’re trying to get some new MD’s to join our network so wish us luck! - but we are not having dinner with them tonight. However, I am taking my work buddy to my favorite little Italian place on Nob Hill (Ristorante Milano on Pacific; their white-sauce lasagna is God on a Plate) so if we aren’t out too long for dinner I may be adequately lubricated for a go at Peter Green…;). If not, I will go for it over the weekend - Friday I am flying back to NY…

Amen.

For me, blues is blood. I love it. I consider myself a blues player above all else. Some of my favs off the top of my head:

  1. Feelin’ Bad Blues - Ry Cooder, off the Crossroads soundtrack (cool blues movie, by the way)
  2. Anything by Robert Johnson
  3. Hideaway - Eric Clapton’s version with John Mayall is the best in my opinion
  4. You Gotta Move - Mississippi Fred McDowell
  5. B Movie Boxcar Blues - Delbert McClinton
  6. Hear My Train A Comin’ - Jimi Hendrix off the Radio 1 Sessions

There are so many other blues artists that I listen to and enjoy. Delta blues players like Son House and Elmore James, Chicago Blues guys like BB King and Buddy Guy, and newer player’s like Joe Bonamassa and John Mayer…

Yeah, I said it - I think John Mayer is a great blues player. Sue me…

… considers stalking WordMan, as this is 3 blocks from my house… :wink:

Almost the only blues CD I like is Elliott Sharp’s ‘Blues for Next’, which is one of his Terraplane albums. However, I also like Albert Collins’s whole “Ice Man” act-- sorrii, I’m not able to express why, but I think they are both examples of more progressive playing.

Surprised to see that in a Top 5 but I love it. The Blues Brothers did a great version. Sacrilege to some. And this will be to most everyone, but I don’t find BB King that interesting. So sue me too.

Have just gotten into Peter Green. Soho Sessions. Very good.

Where are you? I lived at Hyde and Washington for a few years. You are so lucky - between the Hyde St. Bistro, Pacifico, the restaurants up Hyde by Union and the best damn cheap Chinese on the planet, U-Lee (whose pot stickers have been known to solve world hunger and achieve peace between warring nations) you are pretty well set! If you look into Cafe Pacifico much past 6 or so tonight and see a Dan Aykroyd-looking dude with orgasm-face from eating lasagna, well, that would be me (sorry for the icky visual of Elwood Blues having sex, but what can you do? Their food is so good!). We may end up somewhere else, if we decide we need to go to the Manora’s for Thai down in SoMa…

As for the thread - just back from my meeting (we think it went well!) and am running back out with my work buddy - again, I will try to add more to the thread either later tonight or over the weekend.

Speaking of blues guitar work, what do people think of Cedell Davis? I don’t listen to the blues too much, so I don’t have much of a knowledge base to judge his playing, but I thought it was really interesting. He was crippled by polio as a youth–he had to be carried onto the stage at the club I saw him, and he used a butter knife jammed into the fingers of his right hand as a slide. But his handicap combined with good musicianship resulted in a striking raw and minimalist style.

ummm, Ristorante Milano :smack::smack:

As for the last post, I’ve never heard of Cedell Davis - is there a YouTube clip or something that provides what you would consider a solid example of his playing?

Here’s a couple of tracks. If you search on Youtube there are also some tracks with video. He also has at least one album released by Fat Possum.

Jimi Hendrix - Blues CD.

Well, I’m glad you started this thread, WordMan, because I missed BubbaDog’s request in the other thread- I hadn’t checked it in a couple of days.

It has almost become a cliché, but I have to recommend Layla (And Other Assorted Love Songs) by Derek and the Dominos. The story behind it is pretty well known, so just a brief recap- Eric Clapton was in love with Patti Boyd, the wife of his best friend George Harrison, when he recorded this album. As a result, the emotion that comes through in his playing is tangible.

Songs such as “Have You Ever Loved A Woman”, “Why Does Love Got To Be So Sad”, and the title track feature some of the best, and most heartfelt, playing Eric ever produced. Add in Duane Allman’s brilliant slide work and you have, in my opinion, the best blues guitar album ever.

Other highlights are “I Looked Away”, “Bell Bottom Blues”, and their incredible version of Hendrix’s “Little Wing”. Actually, pretty much every song is a highlight. The anguished vocals and fiery playing are genuine and come pouring out of every tune. The interplay between Clapton and Allman is amazing to hear.

The blues is a feeling, and this album is overflowing with it.