Maybe the surviving family members can get free tickets to the next NRA fund raising dinner to thank them for their sacrifice so that others can keep their weapons. Somebody always pays a steep price - but its never the Charlton Heston types is it?
This is all absolutely meaningless hyperbole. It’s not the fucking NRA’s fault that the guy went nuts and started shooting people. You know and I know that the vast majority of people who commit crimes using guns are not NRA members.
Cops also kill people unjustly - should police also be denied the right to be armed? I hope the families of all the people accidentally shot to death by cops, like Amadou Diallo, can be given tickets to the next police benefit so they can thank the police for their sacrifice so that other people can be wrongly shot to death by police officers.
:rolleyes:
ETA - the OP’s screen name references the Haymarket Riot, an incident where cops fired into a crowd of striking workers, killing and injuring dozens of innocent people. Those cops and their guns…goddamn, someone should do something about it.
Sorry OP, try making an actual fucking point next time.
You two should read my post a second time. I did not blame the NRA. I only said they should call the family members and thank them for having those officers pay the ultimate price for gun rights. And maybe throw in a free dinner.
Am I suppose to use the words “fuck” or “fucking” to make the point clearer? Is that a rule here?
In fact, I would love it if the NRA would open up a Second Amendment Hall of Fame and put folks like the three slain Pittsburtgh officer in there along with other people who died paying the ultimate price for gun rights. It could beome quite the tourist attraction.
Yeah and I would love if if the National Police Officer’s Association or whatever had a hall of fame where all of the people who police have shot by mistake, like Amadou Diallo, or had a broomstick shoved up their ass like Abner Louima, can be displayed. Along with all the many other people who paid the ultimate price, like the “haymarket martyrs” that your username seems to represent, and all the other people who have been gunned down and brutalized by police over the years.
See where I’m going with this?
Cops can do horrible things - but they don’t do them because they’re cops, they do them because they’re horrible people. And NRA members can do horrible things, but they don’t do them because they’re NRA members, they do them because they’re horrible people.
I am NOT anti-cop. I’m just anti-horrible-person. It doesn’t matter what side of the law he’s on. It’s just bullshit to try to connect the dots from this guy’s NRA membership to the fact that he committed a shooting.
Your argument, if there is one (it appears to be some kind of very poorly-stated Michael Moore type joke) is ridiculous. Make that really fucking ridiculous.
Also, this article - like all of them, whenever something like this happens - has the typical bullshit about assault rifles and assault weapons and AK-47s. Goddamn, this guy really had an assault rifle, which in real life would cost tens of thousands of dollars and a NFA tax stamp?
After all the hysteria about the Evil, Tyrannical Obama coming to steal people’s guns, including here on this board, yes I do think that gun advocates have some responsibility. Claiming otherwise is like the people who rant and rave about the evils of homosexuals or doctors who perform abortions, then act all innocent when someone actually listens to them and kills one.
And I’ve also seen a lot of speeches about the wonderful moral superiority of gun owners here, and about how they never, ever misuse guns and how people with arsenals and concealed weapons are perfectly safe and anyone who worries about them is evil.
Although I’m kind of glad, in principle, for the existence of the NRA as an organization that supports a type of rights, that’s as far as it goes. In practice, I think they most definitely have contributed to the negative aspects of “gun culture” in the U.S.
And while it was indeed a single nut who did this, I also believe the NRA is one of the entities that bears some responsibility for such events.
Agreed. This is a person who took a stand (in the most horrible and disgusting way imaginable) for the rights that he believed were being infringed upon. Who are the people/groups that got him gassed up enough that he believed killing three cops was a justifiable retaliation?
The NRA did not pull the trigger. The good, intelligent people here did not pull the trigger. But both parties actively or passively supported his stance and gave affirmation to his fears. What has to happen, honestly, before people take responsibility for the ramifications of their beliefs? Does Charlton Heston’s cold dead hand have to actually pull the trigger before the NRA is held even a little, teensy bit accountable?
HOW does the NRA bear any kind of responsibility for this?
And an “AK-47” (which I guarantee in real life is not an actual full-auto AK-47) and "several powerful handguns) does not make an “arsenal.” Jesus, these people would have an aneurysm if they saw my gun collection, and among serious gun collectors, that would be child’s play. Irresponsible, ill-informed bullshit journalism at work.
Wait a second…you people in the posts above are insinuating that this guy did what he did out of some kind of political motivation related to gun rights or the NRA’s political stance.
It’s simply not true.
He’s just another disgruntled guy who got fired from his job and went amok.
Um, I could have sworn that in every version of the story posted on every major news network, it was expressly stated that Mr Poplawski “feared the Obama administration was poised to ban guns.” That’s an AP quote…
And if you believe an Ak and several handguns do not constitute an arsenal, then you live in a very different reality than I.
It’s ok, you know, to say “This person should not have had access to guns.” Admitting this should not weaken your position, that guns are all but harmless in the hands of responsible owners. And if it does, then maybe the position you hold needs reconsidering.
This Poplawski guy must be a real hypocrite. As a gun nut, surely at one time or another he’s ranted, “They can have my guns when they pry them from my cold dead hands.”
One wingnut (who doesn’t sound like he was all that stable to begin with) fires on a couple officers with a lethal weapon and all guns rights advocates are to blame. Uh, yeah.
I would love to see the reaction to a similar story where the weapon of choice was, say, a crossbow.
Then anyone who fought with their money, their words, or their votes to make it easier to obtain crossbows would be equally accountable. Then the North American Crossbow Association would be accountable.
I guess I don’t see how this can be disputed.
If I get up on a box and tell everyone that blind people should be allowed to drive, and god damn anyone who would infringe on the rights of the blind, and then start a multi-million dollar lobbying group to fight for the right for blind people to drive, then I would MOST DEFINITELY be accountable when blind people start running down kids in the street.
And the fact that cars are harmless in the hands of great drivers is still beside the point. They are FUCKING DEADLY in the hands of people who are unfit to use them.