It’s bound to come up eventually. So what say you?
This may be helpful: USCIS’s guidance in the wake of the 2005 tsunami. http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/TsunamiGuidnc011005.pdf
The focus appears to have been on ensuring that persons currently in the United States wouldn’t be forced to return to dangerous areas, not on evacuating refugees to the States.
In this case, that would include a sizeable chunk of the population of Miami-Dade County, Florida (where hurricane-evacuation guides are published in English, Spanish, and Creole).
Right, but many think that’s not enough and want the U.S. to grant “Temporary Protected Status” to undocumented Haitian immigrants living in the U.S.
Personally, I see no justification for not doing this (allowing current refugees to stay and accepting new refugees temporarily).
No.
I don’t see it as a useful plan for disaster relief. Do we just empty out the country around the earthquake zone? Do we evacuate a few thousand and tell the rest “better luck next earthquake”? Besides, even given poor conditions in their country, I don’t think we can assume that every Haitian wants to immigrate to America.
The best plan is to deliver help to the people at the site of the disaster.
There were some children that were already scheduled for adoption with U.S. couples. Of course they should come – if they can be found again.
Maybe couples who have been wanted to adopt a child could be encouraged to adopt a Haitian orphan.
I think that those who have willing American sponsors and the promise of a place to live in the United States should be allowed to immigrate.
Haitians would feel at home in my neighborhood of mixed cultures!
I didn’t see the movie, but I’m told that Cuba has a fantastic healthcare system.
Wouldn’t it be mure humane to send them there?
I agree. Also, are we to offer emigration to the U.S. to the world for any natural disaster of this scale?
No, let them go to Senegal. Senegal from what I understand is doing quite well for an African Nation, and wouldn’t be such a bad place for them to go.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/16/AR2010011602048.html
That idea doesn’t preclude rich, neighbouring countries like the USA, Canada from chipping in too. I’m sure any accepted refugee could intergrate far more easily into these countries then Senegal.
The US has offered immigrant amnesty it looks like. That seems like enough. I’m not buying the whole white man’s burden argument here. The United States was built precisely on the kind of offer Senegal is making to the Haitians now. People who came from desperate circumstances and settled a sparsely populated land.
“white man’s burden?!!?” WTF are you talking about.
The idea that the United States owes Haiti something because they ravaged their country, didn’t build up any sort of cognitive capital and as such built subpar buildings that then fell down on people.
The United States is doing a lot to help Haiti, more than any other nation. We’ve offered amnesty to nearly 1,000,000 people. I don’t see it as our obligation to accept an entire third world country into the United States.
The Senegal offer sounds much better for all parties involved. If the United States wants to help with the repatriation, then that sounds good.
A reply to this.
Any offer of help to Haitian refugees isn’t based on some real or imaged slight or insult that the USA may have/have not historically done. It’s based on the current humanitarian catastrophe. Your lame attempts at blaming this earthquake’s deadly strike/aftermath at Haitian ineptness is also stupid.
To reiterate: 1) No one was offering to resettle Haitians for your listed reasons before the earthquake, thus no one is offering to resettle Haitians for your listed reasons after the earthquake. 2) You should address the reasons listed in this thread instead of making up your own. 3) Earthquakes suck, but ultimately Haitians aren’t the cause of them.
Helping neighbouring countries struck by natural catastrophes is what good neighbouring countries do. No one is calling for the US to accept “the entire third world”, nor is anyone calling on the US, alone, to do this; so you should put away that strawman.
Which brings me to my first point…
“That idea doesn’t preclude rich, neighbouring countries like the USA, Canada from chipping in too. I’m sure any accepted refugee could intergrate far more easily into these countries then Senegal.”
how about you address it?
Your straw men are irrelevant to me.
I said we don’t have a white man’s burden to accept the entire country of Haiti into the United States. If you can’t read for context, maybe you should read a post twice before responding to it. That doesn’t imply that the people of Haiti are a burden, only that they would be if they came to the US. Here we have an offer on the table from Senegal, and you’re shitting all over it. But it’s a real offer, not some imaginary offer by the United States.
Straw man.
Yes, of course. And right now there is a real offer on the table from Senegal. And the Quake’s aftermath IS a result of Haitian ineptitude. It’s as simple as that. Shoddy construction fell down on people. This is the reality. It would be nice if we could discuss these things without the lens filter of political correctness. San Francisco had a similar quake years back during the World Series, and it didn’t wreak the same havoc even though the Bay Area is as/more densely populated than Port-au-Prince.
I was responding to the idea that we have some obligation that we do not have.
Straw man. I didn’t make up anything.
No, they didn’t cause the Earthquake. No one said or implied that they did.
You’re the one who fixated on an aside. I do not think we owe the Haitians anymore than we are giving them.
I disagree that the Haitians could better assimilate into the United States or Canada. A largely illiterate population that has ravaged their own country, and is dependent on foreign aid isn’t really a population that can be easily assimilated into a first world state. Better to give them the opportunity to homestead in a state where their level of education and economic development will not be so far behind the norm that they won’t be second class citizens in the same way as they will be in a first world nation.
You created the straw man. White man’s Burden has not been any part of this thread until you introduced it and the concept does not include reparations for past ills nor does it include accepting immigrants. You have now hit the trifecta with your own straw man in this thread, so abusing that phrase going foorward will be considered deliberate trolling.
Stick to the actual discussion and leave your snide comments for the BBQ Pit.
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But that’s fine, even though I’m not the one fixated on what was really just a pithy off the cuff remark that I made. I’ve been trying to get us away from it. So again more of your one-sided moderation to no real effect, since you’re trying to moderate me in the direction I’d like to go, but am not being allowed to by the people I am conversing with.