Lying Whore Charged with Murder

[Belowjob2.0]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/7068705/

Yes it's true. The Duke Lacrosse rape accuser has been charged with attempted murder, arson, and child abuse. Proof, if proof were needed that once a psychotic bitch, always a psychotic bitch.

(The expression "lying whore" is not hyperbole. She has worked, on occasion, as a prostitute, and she lied, under oath, about some extremely serious matters.)

Many people, including many Dopers, believe this is mainly about race.

I think it's mainly about a criminal justice system that's biased in favor of rape accusers, and makes an a priori assumption that all men are victimizers until proven otherwise.

I see the Duke rape case in much the same light as the charges bought against Kobe Bryant in Colorado, and the accusations made against Ben Roethlisberger in Nevada.

Crystal, honey, I hope you rot in jail. I hope you lose custody of your kids. I hope the many foolish men out there are smart enough to stay the hell away from you in the future.

[Airman Doors, USAF]

I'm still waiting for the Group of 88 to issue a public apology for their disgusting, slanderous remarks about the players. I suspect I'll be waiting a long time.

[Hamlet]

Originally Posted by Belowjob2.0

I think it's mainly about a criminal justice system that's biased in favor of rape accusers, and makes an a priori assumption that all men are victimizers until proven otherwise.

The whole Duke lacrosse travesty is full of things ripe for Pitting, and you focus on an incredibly stupid generalization completely lacking in reality. That's not easy to do, so kudos on that, at least.

[Belowjob2.0]

Originally Posted by Airman Doors, USAF

I'm still waiting for the Group of 88 to issue a public apology for their disgusting, slanderous remarks about the players. I suspect I'll be waiting a long time.

True.

At least Nifong's career was destroyed.

[Belowjob2.0]

Originally Posted by Hamlet

The whole Duke lacrosse travesty is full of things ripe for Pitting, and you focus on an incredibly stupid generalization completely lacking in reality. That's not easy to do, so kudos on that, at least.

False rape accusations never happen? Or are so rare that they don't merit discussion?

Garbage.

[Leaper]

I think part of the problem is the general public's attitude towards "judging" rape victims (and indeed, crime victims AND criminals in general): either they are flawless victims who must be believed at any cost, or lying whores who probably asked for it. (Similarly, criminals are usually either being framed by the cops and can't possibly be guilty no matter what anyone or anything says, or are so obviously guilty that they deserve no consideration or skepticism whatsoever.)

Nuance, IMO, is needed (or should at least be considered for a moment).

[Belowjob2.0]

http://www.anandaanswers.com/pages/naaFalse.html

. [False rape allegations are reported in similar numbers at college campuses; approximately 50% of rape charges are admitted to be false by the accuser.]

http://www.americandaily.com/article/5075

That false allegations are a major problem has been confirmed by several prominent prosecutors, including Linda Fairstein, who heads the New York County District Attorney's Sex Crimes Unit. Fairstein, the author of “Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape,� says, "there are about 4,000 reports of rape each year in Manhattan. Of these, about half simply did not happen."

Craig Silverman, a former Colorado prosecutor known for his zealous prosecution of rapists during his 16-year career, says that false rape accusations occur with "scary frequency." As a regular commentator on the Bryant trial for Denver's ABC affiliate, Silverman noted that "any honest veteran sex assault investigator will tell you that rape is one of the most falsely reported crimes." According to Silverman, a Denver sex-assault unit commander estimates that nearly half of all reported rape claims are false.

You were saying?

[BigT]

I think they're saying your focusing on the oddest part. The fact that false rape reports are so common, while the other crimes are not, indicates that most false accusers DO NOT go on to become murderers, arsonists, or child abusers.

It would make sense to be griping about this back when we found out she lied. It seems odd to be talking about it now that we find out she's (allegedly) a full-blown psycho.

[Belowjob2.0]

Originally Posted by BigT

I think they're saying your focusing on the oddest part. The fact that false rape reports are so common, while the other crimes are not, indicates that most false accusers DO NOT go on to become murderers, arsonists, or child abusers.

It would make sense to be griping about this back when we found out she lied. It seems odd to be talking about it now that we find out she's (allegedly) a full-blown psycho.

I'm glad she's (probably) on her way to prison. If the charges stick, maybe for the rest of her life. Good times.

[FoieGrasIsEvil]

The OP is dead on, except for the Ben Rothlisberger part...

[Dissonance]

Originally Posted by Belowjob2.0

http://www.anandaanswers.com/pages/naaFalse.html

You missed this part when quoting a cult website who's leader has been accused of sexual misconduct:

[Notes in brackets are added by the Ananda Answers editor]

[Hamlet]

Originally Posted by Belowjob2.0

False rape accusations never happen? Or are so rare that they don't merit discussion?

Neither, which should have been obvious since that's the part of your rant I quoted.

Originally Posted by Belowjob

Garbage.

Here is what you said: "a criminal justice system that's biased in favor of rape accusers, and makes an a priori assumption that all men are victimizers until proven otherwise." Your statement is complete and utter bullshit, and your cites indicating that people make false rape accusations in no way disprove it. Yes, false accusations are made. But you take it one step further, a step with little to no actual evidence, and accuse the criminal justice system of being biased and shifting the burden to men to prove their innocent. You focus on one two high profile examples (by the way, Rothlisberger has not been criminally charged, so you might want to excise that one) and ignore the thousands of rape convictions that do occur. When you take the giant leap and pretend that the criminal justice system is to blame, you lose all credibility with me.

By all means, slam the woman, she deserves it. Slam Nifong, and some of the investigators too. Have at it. But pretending that that outrageous example is par for the course in the criminal justice system is bullshit.

[Airman Doors, USAF]

Originally Posted by FoieGrasIsEvil

The OP is dead on, except for the Ben Rothlisberger part...

Wow. Even in the offseason you find a way to troll the Steelers. So, since you choose to believe he did it, you can surely prove that he did, right? Of course you can.

Dammit, I got hooked again. 10/10.

[Jimmy Chitwood]

Originally Posted by Hamlet

By all means, slam the woman, she deserves it. Slam Nifong, and some of the investigators too. Have at it. But pretending that that outrageous example is par for the course in the criminal justice system is bullshit.

Such bullshit, frankly, that I'm genuinely curious where all the anger here (in the OP, that is) comes from. All manner of individuals lie to police all the time about all kinds of things, but the Duke case makes a lot of people really especially angry.

If what this is "mainly about," truly, is "a criminal justice system that's biased in favor of rape accusers, and makes an a priori assumption that all men are victimizers until proven otherwise," then hey, I've got good news... that is some made up shit. But based on the psychotic bitch/lying whore angle I'm going to say it isn't really about the criminal justice system. I'm going to venture a guess that our OP has a bit of a problem with the females.

[DianaG]

Originally Posted by Belowjob2.0

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/7068705/

Yes it's true. The Duke Lacrosse rape accuser has been charged with attempted murder, arson, and child abuse. Proof, if proof were needed that once a psychotic bitch, always a psychotic bitch.

I'm not defending the woman, but I can't help but notice the irony of your assertion that accusations = proof.

[Enderw24]

i·ro·ny   [ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-]
–noun,plural-nies.

Origin:
1495–1505; < L īrōnīa < Gk eirōneía dissimulation, sarcasm, understatement, equiv. to eírōn a dissembler + -eia -y3

1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning:
2. Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs

After hearing the story about a public riled up against a lacrosse team based upon charges alone and before all the facts could come in, Ender could not help but marvel at the irony that was the OP

[Enderw24]

slow   [sloh] adjective,-er, -est, adverb,-er, -est, verb
–adjective
1.moving or proceeding with little or less than usual speed or velocity: a slow train.
2. taking or requiring a comparatively long time for completion: a slow meal; a slow trip.

See, post #16 Ibid

[Airman Doors, USAF]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Chitwood

If what this is "mainly about," truly, is "a criminal justice system that's biased in favor of rape accusers, and makes an a priori assumption that all men are victimizers until proven otherwise," then hey, I've got good news... that is some made up shit. But based on the psychotic bitch/lying whore angle I'm going to say it isn't really about the criminal justice system. I'm going to venture a guess that our OP has a bit of a problem with the females.

I'm going to venture a guess that you're wrong.

The reason why we are taking shot after shot at her in particular is because her lies kicked off a process that lead to so many people acting like total tools, and publicly at that. Ordinarily something like this gets a few minutes on the news and that's it. But this one lead 88 faculty members (and Houston Baker in particular) to make about the most egregious public display possible. It made a DA outright lie to pander for votes. It ruined a school's reputation for a lot of people, it polarized a good bit of the public on racial lines nationwide, and it caused severe and potentially irreparable damage to three men in particular and the other members of the team by extension. And what's worse from a justice standpoint, she made rape accusations even less credible.

She deserves to be singled out. She deserves to be denounced every bit as vocally as those she previously accused. She deserves nothing but scorn and derision.

That's what it's about.

[Belowjob2.0]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_289473.html

It was only the possibility that her hijinks were on video that made her recant.

Otherwise, she was fully prepared to destroy the lives of several young men.

No prosecution of the accuser for making the false charge:

http://www.prlog.org/10354928-joy-watson-candidate-for-nassau-county-da-on-failure-of-kathleen-rice-to-charge-false-rape-accuser.html


Hell to the yeah.

It is not fucking unreasonable to say, If you are going to make this charge, we expect you to be telling the truth, and if you're lying, be prepared to pay as severe a penalty as those you would accuse.

[The Second Stone]

She is innocent until proven guilty, just like all other accused in this country. At least before the courts. Here at SDMB we pick our sides from the first newspaper headline we read.

[Belowjob2.0]

Bull shit.

She has a history of run ins with the law, before and after the Duke case.

I'm also of the opinion that the courts in general go easier on women who commit acts of domestic violence. I suspect that she's been violent to her partner before, but that he and/or the law let it slide.

[lissener]

What makes the OP particularly distasteful is that the people most likely to suffer from the fact that up 50% of rape accusations may be false are not, as the OP seems to think, those who might be falsely accused, but actual rape victims, since that statistic gives people like the OP an excuse to indulge his misogyny and feel more sympathy for the accused than than for rape victims who will be presumed liars.

I'd say the OP demonstrates its effectiveness as a glass half-full/half-empty litmus test for misogynists pretty conclusively.

[billfish678]

Originally Posted by lissener

What makes the OP particularly distasteful is that the people most likely to suffer from the fact that up 50% of rape accusations may be false are not, as the OP seems to think, those who might be falsely accused, ....

I am going to go out on limb here and guess that people falsely accused of rape actually do suffer, particularly the ones who'e life's are ruined or end up in jail.

[lissener]

Originally Posted by billfish678

I am going to go out on limb here and guess that people falsely accused of rape actually do suffer, particularly the ones who'e life's are ruined or end up in jail.

No one ever said they didn't.

[Freudian Slit]

Originally Posted by Belowjob2.0

(The expression "lying whore" is not hyperbole. She has worked, on occasion, as a prostitute, and she lied, under oath, about some extremely serious matters.)

Did this remind anyone else of that Simpsons ep where Bart calls Santa's Little Helper's girlfriend a bitch and then is all, "Well, that's what she IS, it says in the dictionary!"

[lissener]

But just to be clear: the accusation is the first part of the process, not the last. If the statistic of 50% has come to light, that suggests that a good number of those accusations don't hold up through the entire legal process. Which is exactly what the process is for. Not to excuse in any way a false accuser, but again there is a process in place to try their accusations.

All people accused of a crime are considered innocent until proven guilty. Think about that for a minute. I'd wager that a lot of the same people whose kneejerk reaction to this statistic is that a rape accuser is probably a liar, and the system is set up to railroad poor innocent males into jailhouse showers, are a lot of the same people who think the system is set up to coddle the criminals and ignore the rights of the victims. Well which is it?

The fact that it riles people on both sides of the fence is a good sign: it's a flawed system that usually, but not always, works.

The plain truth, however, is that a falsely accused rapist who is eventually exonerated by a system that works, is a less horrifying outcome to me, for one, than an actual rapist allowed to go free and rape again because of a presumed prejudice against his accuser. In addition to which, what do you think it does to rape statistics to make it abundantly clear to rape victims that they're likely not to be believed? I'd think it would further decrease the reporting of actual rapes, feeding the imbalance even further.

[Jimmy Chitwood]

Originally Posted by Airman Doors, USAF

I'm going to venture a guess that you're wrong.

The reason why we are taking shot after shot at her in particular is because her lies kicked off a process that lead to so many people acting like total tools, and publicly at that. Ordinarily something like this gets a few minutes on the news and that's it. But this one lead 88 faculty members (and Houston Baker in particular) to make about the most egregious public display possible. It made a DA outright lie to pander for votes. It ruined a school's reputation for a lot of people, it polarized a good bit of the public on racial lines nationwide, and it caused severe and potentially irreparable damage to three men in particular and the other members of the team by extension. And what's worse from a justice standpoint, she made rape accusations even less credible.

She deserves to be singled out. She deserves to be denounced every bit as vocally as those she previously accused. She deserves nothing but scorn and derision.

That's what it's about.

I have a choice here, given that I was referring to the OP and not to you. For now I'm going to assume from your defense and your response that you're more or less adopting the language used by the OP, and I'm going to respond to you as if you're him.

First of all, it doesn't matter, even a little, whether she "deserves" to be "singled out," or that I have no idea what either half of that construction really means. What I (and Hamlet first) objected to was the monstrously specious characterization of the American criminal system when it comes to sexual offenses. So it doesn't make any sense that you're telling me why she deserves your scorn, since I didn't even say anything about her.

Second, even if I pretend that what I'm really concerned about is the woman's feelings, it still doesn't make sense. She had some kind of bad experience with some guys and said a lot of things that weren't true about it. Then a lot of other autonomous entities did a lot of other sleazy things. You're talking about her initiating a process that led to people acting like "tools" as if those people weren't responsible for their actions. It's a strange approach to be taking, but you follow it to some pretty absurd ends, for instance that this woman's lies polarized the nation along racial lines rather than just reminding many of us exactly where we stand on this kind of issue. Again, even assuming all of this was what I actually objected to, which it wasn't, the justification for calling her a bunch of really ugly things is that some other people overreacted? There was a media circus so the right thing to do is carry on with a circus mentality? The subsequent reaction of other adults doesn't seem to me to be the most attractive rubric by which to determine just how much spittle to spend on cursing at her.

But so anyway, I don't really care much how you feel about the lady, so long as you admit that's what your real problem is; plenty of people like to curse at people in apostrophe and make themselves look like animals. Just don't perpetuate obviously wrong and horribly, horribly destructive myths about criminal justice while you're doing it.

[bengangmo]

Originally Posted by lissener

But just to be clear: the accusation is the first part of the process, not the last. If the statistic of 50% has come to light, that suggests that a good number of those accusations don't hold up through the entire legal process. Which is exactly what the process is for. Not to excuse in any way a false accuser, but again there is a process in place to try their accusations.

All people accused of a crime are considered innocent until proven guilty. Think about that for a minute. I'd wager that a lot of the same people whose kneejerk reaction to this statistic is that a rape accuser is probably a liar, and the system is set up to railroad poor innocent males into jailhouse showers, are a lot of the same people who think the system is set up to coddle the criminals and ignore the rights of the victims. Well which is it?

The fact that it riles people on both sides of the fence is a good sign: it's a flawed system that usually, but not always, works.

The plain truth, however, is that a falsely accused rapist who is eventually exonerated by a system that works, is a less horrifying outcome to me, for one, than an actual rapist allowed to go free and rape again because of a presumed prejudice against his accuser. In addition to which, what do you think it does to rape statistics to make it abundantly clear to rape victims that they're likely not to be believed? I'd think it would further decrease the reporting of actual rapes, feeding the imbalance even further.

The problem with rape is that the mere accusation has far more negative consequences than pretty much any other crime. Merely being arrested for rape can destroy somebody's life - even if they are later found innocent. Even if they are completely exonerated some of the stigma can linger, and life will never be the same.

This is pehaps why false accusations are viewed so badly.

That the system worked is cold comfort to the innocent guy that lost his job, lost friends, now is under a cloud for everything that he does.

[lissener]

Originally Posted by bengangmo

The problem with rape is that the mere accusation has far more negative consequences than pretty much any other crime. Merely being arrested for rape can destroy somebody's life - even if they are later found innocent. Even if they are completely exonerated some of the stigma can linger, and life will never be the same.

This is pehaps why false accusations are viewed so badly.

That the system worked is cold comfort to the innocent guy that lost his job, lost friends, now is under a cloud for everything that he does.

I'm not disputing that for a minute. The OP, and you, are the ones insisting on a false dichotomy. I still think that to take the glass-half-empty position to sympathize more with a falsely accused rapist than with a falsely disbelieved rape victim is disturbing, on many levels. The whole situation is an ugly one, but your position errs on the side of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, in my opinion. A false accusation of rape is far more remediable than an actual act of rape, and the system should be weighted accordingly. You would support the opposite, even when the established system already presumes innocence.

[bengangmo]

Originally Posted by lissener

I'm not disputing that for a minute. The OP, and you, are the ones insisting on a false dichotomy. I still think that to take the glass-half-empty position to sympathize more with a falsely accused rapist than with a falsely disbelieved rape victim is disturbing, on many levels. The whole situation is an ugly one, but your position errs on the side of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, in my opinion. A false accusation of rape is far more remediable than an actual act of rape, and the system should be weighted accordingly. You would support the opposite, even when the established system already presumes innocence.

Huh? The above was my first post in this thread. I have read some stuff (and seen some stuff) that suggests that, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, police are expected to believe an accusation of rape.

This is a little different to other cases where there is exected to be some positive proof of a crime before investigations start. Not that I think this is neccessarily a bad thing.

But if that is to be the position, it should mean that false accusations are all the more harshley dealt with.

[The Second Stone]

Originally Posted by Airman Doors, USAF

I'm going to venture a guess that you're wrong.

The reason why we are taking shot after shot at her in particular is because her lies kicked off a process that lead to so many people acting like total tools, and publicly at that. Ordinarily something like this gets a few minutes on the news and that's it. But this one lead 88 faculty members (and Houston Baker in particular) to make about the most egregious public display possible. It made a DA outright lie to pander for votes. It ruined a school's reputation for a lot of people, it polarized a good bit of the public on racial lines nationwide, and it caused severe and potentially irreparable damage to three men in particular and the other members of the team by extension. And what's worse from a justice standpoint, she made rape accusations even less credible.

She deserves to be singled out. She deserves to be denounced every bit as vocally as those she previously accused. She deserves nothing but scorn and derision.

That's what it's about.

As far as I know she was not convicted of lying about the rapes except for conviction in the press and by cocksuckers on the internet. Her accusations were found to be inconsistent and not enough to proceed to trial against the accused. The accused sports team members should have been considered innocent throughout. But they weren't, again, the press and internet cocksuckers convicted them based on what they wanted to hear day by day.

That is exactly what is going on her. This woman is now accused of serious crimes. She is entitled to protection of the law. Just like I would want protections if I were accused. If you abandon protections for the accused, you have abandoned them when someone comes with untrue charges for you and your family.

The Nifong case is/was remarkable because of the lying and suborning perjury by the prosecutor, which the prosecutor was indicted for, charged and convicted. That abuse of power is not uncommon in my limited experience. Most Illinois death row murder cases have had credible charges of prosecutor misconduct. Police and prosecutors are entrusted with enormous powers against which most citizens are completely helpless. I would like to think that most police and prosecutors use these powers responsibly and with an understanding of how abusing those powers unravels the communities we live in.

If in fact this woman lied about those rape charges, which appears likely, it pales in comparison to the damage done by Nifong. What Nifong did was a dagger aimed at the heart of justice.

[Airman Doors, USAF]

Originally Posted by The Second Stone

As far as I know she was not convicted of lying about the rapes except for conviction in the press and by cocksuckers on the internet. Her accusations were found to be inconsistent and not enough to proceed to trial against the accused. The accused sports team members should have been considered innocent throughout. But they weren't, again, the press and internet cocksuckers convicted them based on what they wanted to hear day by day.

Agreed, although I do think that you are far too easy on her. The accusations weren't inconsistent, they were outright false, demonstrably so at that.

That is exactly what is going on her. This woman is now accused of serious crimes. She is entitled to protection of the law. Just like I would want protections if I were accused. If you abandon protections for the accused, you have abandoned them when someone comes with untrue charges for you and your family.

I have not argued otherwise.

If in fact this woman lied about those rape charges, which appears likely, it pales in comparison to the damage done by Nifong. What Nifong did was a dagger aimed at the heart of justice.

I also agree with this. In fact, I agree with every word you said, my caveat notwithstanding.

That said, for her role in the Duke case she deserves every bit of what she gets. And if these allegations turn out to be true that will just be icing on the cake. In any event, she appears to be an all-around scumbag, and I cannot generate even an iota of sympathy for her.

[The Second Stone]

And I may one day agree with you that she deserves everything she gets. But it won't be before a guilty verdict, which I presume will not happen.

[Zeriel]

Originally Posted by lissener

I'm not disputing that for a minute. The OP, and you, are the ones insisting on a false dichotomy. I still think that to take the glass-half-empty position to sympathize more with a falsely accused rapist than with a falsely disbelieved rape victim is disturbing, on many levels. The whole situation is an ugly one, but your position errs on the side of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, in my opinion. A false accusation of rape is far more remediable than an actual act of rape, and the system should be weighted accordingly. You would support the opposite, even when the established system already presumes innocence.

Who's insisting on a false dichotomy? Being a rape victim sucks. Being a victim of a false rape accusation sucks. As I understand the statistics shown in this thread, any given rape case (in the absence of other considerations) has both of those outcomes equally likely.

Look, I had my college life nearly destroyed by a false rape accusation. So have a few other of my male friends. My wife was forcibly stranger-raped. So were other of my friends. I don't have to have a skewed view of which was worse to acknowledge some damn statistics.

[Agent Foxtrot]

It's pretty bad that WASP jocks from wealthy families emerged as the heroes of this debacle.

[you with the face]

Originally Posted by DianaG

I'm not defending the woman, but I can't help but notice the irony of your assertion that accusations = proof.

I can't help it, either.

[tdn]

Originally Posted by Agent Foxtrot

It's pretty bad that WASP jocks from wealthy families emerged as the heroes of this debacle.

Um... Why?

[billfish678]

Originally Posted by lissener

.

All people accused of a crime are considered innocent until proven guilty. Think about that for a minute. I'd wager that a lot of the same people whose kneejerk reaction to this statistic is that a rape accuser is probably a liar, and the system is set up to railroad poor innocent males into jailhouse showers, are a lot of the same people who think the system is set up to coddle the criminals and ignore the rights of the victims. Well which is it?

Depends.

Are we talking human victims or cats thrown outside in a blizzard?

[kidchameleon]

Originally Posted by The Second Stone

Most Illinois death row murder cases have had credible charges of prosecutor misconduct.

Most of the 20 or so?

[FoieGrasIsEvil]

Originally Posted by Airman Doors, USAF

Wow. Even in the offseason you find a way to troll the Steelers. So, since you choose to believe he did it, you can surely prove that he did, right? Of course you can.

Dammit, I got hooked again. 10/10.

Ah, c'mon Airman, I don't know or care what happened with Ben...I was joking, figuring on one of the Steelers fans rising to the occasion. I mean, its the offseason...what else are we gonna do? The draft can't get here fast enough for Christ's sake!

[you with the face]

Originally Posted by Belowjob 2.2

Yes it's true. The Duke Lacrosse rape accuser has been charged with attempted murder, arson, and child abuse. Proof, if proof were needed that once a psychotic bitch, always a psychotic bitch.

Belowjob, I think you're a fair-minded poster based on what I've seen you post in the past. So it amazes me you could post this and not see how this last sentence completely invalidates your rant. That you actually typed out the word proof (twice)) without collapsing from the cognitive dissonance...how were you able to do that?

I think it's mainly about a criminal justice system that's biased in favor of rape accusers, and makes an a priori assumption that all men are victimizers until proven otherwise

The charges made against the Lacrosse players were dropped when evidence was found to be lacking, and the prosecutor was punished when the system determined he'd abused his power. So where exactly is the proof that the criminal justice system is biased in favor of rape accusers?

You're railing against the court of public opinion. It's the same court who called those boys rapists simply because a charge was made, and it's the same court who is calling this "lying whore" a psychotic bitch murderer because a charge was made.

In short, you are no better than the people you are pitting.

[Vinyl Turnip]

Originally Posted by you with the face

It's the same court who called those boys rapists simply because a charge was made, and it's the same court who is calling this "lying whore" a psychotic bitch murderer because a charge was made.

Lying whore psychotic bitch attempted murderer. So, a failure on top of everything else.

[asterion]

Originally Posted by Vinyl Turnip

Lying whore psychotic bitch attempted murderer. So, a failure on top of everything else.

"Attempted murder? Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel prize for attempted chemistry? Do they?"

[billfish678]

Originally Posted by asterion

"Attempted murder? Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel prize for attempted chemistry? Do they?"

They give one proactively for attempted peace apparently.

[Jimmy Chitwood]

Originally Posted by Zeriel

Who's insisting on a false dichotomy? Being a rape victim sucks. Being a victim of a false rape accusation sucks. As I understand the statistics shown in this thread, any given rape case (in the absence of other considerations) has both of those outcomes equally likely.

Don't accept the statistics in this thread as actual statistics. I could throw a bunch of websites at you that say the false reporting rate is actually less than 2%. Actually, I could also point you toward some "statistics" that say that 90% of all rape claims are false. There's a bit more to it than that, is what I'm suggesting, and very likely, considering all the factors involved, it isn't even possible to reach the level of real statistical proof.

But anyway, since at least one reasonable person has accepted that the two outcomes are equally likely, I wanted to speak up and point out that there are many very different perspectives on that point. Plenty of police departments have published studies within their own jurisdictions, for instance, and ended up with numbers not remotely approaching 50%. Rather than handpick some of them myself, I'll just link to somebody doing it for me. I don't vouch for that blog as I only found it by googling; I'm only concerned with the actual data collected in the post, e.g.:

So how common are false rape reports? No one can say for certain. However, after conducting a review of the (extremely limited) available research, a recent report by The National Center for the Prosecution of Violence Against Women concluded:

[woodstockbirdybird]

Originally Posted by Belowjob2.0

I'm also of the opinion that the courts in general go easier on women who commit acts of domestic violence. I suspect that she's been violent to her partner before, but that he and/or the law let it slide.

This is where I also get the idea the OP has a problem with women. You're just pulling shit out of your ass now, with nothing to back up your "opinion" and "suspicion". Your hard-on for this case seems to be based on more than mere justice being served.

[Zeriel]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Chitwood

Don't accept the statistics in this thread as actual statistics. I could throw a bunch of websites at you that say the false reporting rate is actually less than 2%. Actually, I could also point you toward some "statistics" that say that 90% of all rape claims are false. There's a bit more to it than that, is what I'm suggesting, and very likely, considering all the factors involved, it isn't even possible to reach the level of real statistical proof.

I wouldn't be surprised if, given at least part of the "victimization" of false accusation victims is social and not legal, the higher counts included things like my personal experience (reported to campus police, then the report was dropped immediately afterward by the supposed victim, who claimed to not want to drag HER good name through the courts. And then continued to claim I was a rapist in informal contexts).

The larger part of my point stands, I think--you can be skeptical of individual rape claims without necessarily being evil, and you can acknowledge that false accusations happen and are a problem while still understanding the differences in severity between that and rape.

[Contrapuntal]

Originally Posted by The Second Stone

As far as I know she was not convicted of lying about the rapes except for conviction in the press and by cocksuckers on the internet.

She wasn't convicted of lying, but only because the Attorney General of North Carolina decided not to prosecute her, based on his belief that she was mentally unstable.

Her accusations were found to be inconsistent and not enough to proceed to trial against the accused.

Her accusations were found to be absolutely without merit; i.e. fabricated from whole cloth, i.e. lies.

[lissener]

Originally Posted by bengangmo

I have read some stuff (and seen some stuff) that suggests that, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, police are expected to believe an accusation of rape.

Do you have a cite other than "I have read some stuff"? I'd be interested to see if there's actually any policy suggesting that police treat rape accusations differently from any other accusations that are basically on a he-said/she-said basis.

It's my understanding that ALL accusations* are believed until investigation suggests otherwise; would you really want it any other way?

Are you suggesting that rape accusations be the only criminal accusations that are assumed to be false before they're investigated?




*Obvious exceptions like people who have a prior history of false accusations aside.

[alphaboi867]

Originally Posted by bengangmo

The problem with rape is that the mere accusation has far more negative consequences than pretty much any other crime. Merely being arrested for rape can destroy somebody's life - even if they are later found innocent. Even if they are completely exonerated some of the stigma can linger, and life will never be the same...

And let's not forget that the media outlets that have strict policies about naming alleged rape victims will gladly publish the name of the accused, his picture, and all kinds of details about the alleged crime. It's even worse when the alleged victims underage. And in the US it's usually (though not always) perfectly legal to for legal for the media to name alleged vicitims, but "it's against journalist ethics" to do so. Yet somehow it's not unethical to broadcast every little detail about the defendant they can get there hands on? Either the defendant's identity should be kept secret as well (only to be revealed upon conviction) or the victim's should be published by every media outlet that want's to name the defendent.