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Old 04-07-2010, 08:31 PM
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Pronounce "Racine"

It's a city in Wisconsin (and probably other states). I've heard it pronounced two ways. The people who live there typically pronounce it one way and the rest of us tend to pronounce it the other way (the right way). So I'm curious as to how someone who's never seen or heard it would pronounce it.
(It's where the Racine Belles from A League of Their Own where from, but I don't remember how they said it in the movie).
Hmmm, I'm thinking I should have spelled the second option as "Ruh-seen"

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Old 04-07-2010, 08:39 PM
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I thought this was the playwright Racine, so I voted the second...
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:54 PM
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Mr. S's best friend lives there. I've lived in WI all my life and I've only ever heard "Ruh-seen."
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Old 04-07-2010, 09:03 PM
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Mr. S's best friend lives there. I've lived in WI all my life and I've only ever heard "Ruh-seen."
How does Mr. S's best friend say it?

ISTM that people from Ray-seen say Ray-seen, and the rest of us pronounce it Ruh-seen. To me Ray-seen sounds like something a hillbilly would say. I like to joke that the people who live there just don't know how to say it correctly.
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Old 04-07-2010, 09:11 PM
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I know people who have that as a surname who say their name 'Ray-sin' (like 'racing' without the 'g'.)
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Old 04-07-2010, 09:12 PM
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How does Mr. S's best friend say it?

ISTM that people from Ray-seen say Ray-seen, and the rest of us pronounce it Ruh-seen. To me Ray-seen sounds like something a hillbilly would say. I like to joke that the people who live there just don't know how to say it correctly.
Ray-seen is what you do with cars, horses or dogs on a track.
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Old 04-07-2010, 09:16 PM
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My Racinite dorm roommate at college in Milwaukee called it Ray-cine. I'd always done the same and still do.
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Old 04-07-2010, 09:18 PM
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Wisconsinite born and raised; I pronounce it "Ruh-seen." My Chicago-suburban born-and-raised husband, who spent a lot of time in Wisconsin, calls it "Ray-seen."
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Old 04-07-2010, 09:24 PM
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How does Mr. S's best friend say it?
I dunno, but he's not from there, he's from here (central WI).
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Old 04-07-2010, 09:38 PM
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They pronounced it Ray-seen in A League of Their Own, so that's the choice I went with.

I'm not surprised to hear that's not how the locals pronounce it. There are many, many cities and areas of the country that get pronounced differently by outsiders then they do by locals. After all, people from Oregon get to snicker every time someone east of the of the Mississippi pronounces the name of the state. And I understand that residents of Boise know who the new people are by how they pronounce the name of the city.
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Old 04-07-2010, 09:42 PM
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How does Mr. S's best friend say it?

ISTM that people from Ray-seen say Ray-seen, and the rest of us pronounce it Ruh-seen. To me Ray-seen sounds like something a hillbilly would say. I like to joke that the people who live there just don't know how to say it correctly.
Well, I AM a hillbilly, and I'd say Ray-seen. So, there's your evidence.
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Old 04-07-2010, 10:42 PM
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Many residents of Two Rivers, WI pronounce it Trivers. Apparently separating two words is difficult when you live on the lake.

Oh as for the OP- it is Ruh-seen.
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Old 04-07-2010, 10:49 PM
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Wisconsinite born and raised; I pronounce it "Ruh-seen." My Chicago-suburban born-and-raised husband, who spent a lot of time in Wisconsin, calls it "Ray-seen."
Chicago-city born-and-raised. I usually say "ray-seen." I sometimes slip into "ruh-SEEN" in fast speech but, if asked to pronounce the town on its own, it'll be with the long "a".
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Old 04-07-2010, 11:12 PM
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Usually, in English, there is either a primary or secondary accent on the last syllable anything that ends in -ine. I can imagine ray-SEEN, but not RAY-seen.
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Old 04-08-2010, 12:03 AM
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I picked the first option, but don't really know (or particularly care) which is correct. It's not like that city comes up in conversation. Not a particularly important town and I couldn't place it on a map. If I ever get there, or nearby, I suppose I'll learn the "proper" way.
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:38 AM
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Milwaukee resident checking in: I don't remember ever hearing it pronounced "Ray-seen" by anyone from Racine or the metro area.
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Old 04-08-2010, 05:53 AM
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Sorry, I didn't fully read the OP -- I thought it was referring to the playwright as well.
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Old 04-08-2010, 05:58 AM
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I don't know about the city but if it were the French playwright, it would be Rah-Seen. Short a.
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Old 04-08-2010, 06:56 AM
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"Racine" is the French word for "root". I would pronounce it "rah-seen" as I have done since I learned to speak, and it would confuse me to hear "ray-seen".

But the a lot of places have historically non-English words as names that have evolved into something totally different over the years. I used to live in a town with a very high German population. The town was called New Berlin, until that was changed during the war. So many of the streets have German names - and almost none of them are pronounced as they were originally. "Vay-burr" has become "wee-burr" etc.
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:13 AM
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"Racine" is the French word for "root". I would pronounce it "rah-seen" as I have done since I learned to speak, and it would confuse me to hear "ray-seen".

But the a lot of places have historically non-English words as names that have evolved into something totally different over the years. I used to live in a town with a very high German population. The town was called New Berlin, until that was changed during the war. So many of the streets have German names - and almost none of them are pronounced as they were originally. "Vay-burr" has become "wee-burr" etc.
We have a New Berlin here too. I know I'm not the only one who tends to forget if it's pronounced New BUR-lin or New bur-LIN.
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:52 AM
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Ray-seen is what you do with cars, horses or dogs on a track.
Uh, no - that's pronounced "rey-sin". "Sin" has an "eh" sound in it that you find in "racin'".
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Old 04-08-2010, 09:01 AM
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Uh, no - that's pronounced "rey-sin". "Sin" has an "eh" sound in it that you find in "racin'".
Have you heard a Norwegian say racin?
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Old 04-08-2010, 09:10 AM
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We have a New Berlin here too. I know I'm not the only one who tends to forget if it's pronounced New BUR-lin or New bur-LIN.
I always heard it as New BUR-lin.
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Old 04-08-2010, 09:15 AM
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Former Racine resident here--it's rə-SEEN.
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Old 04-08-2010, 09:17 AM
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Grew up in Wisconsin. Ruh-seen. The second way. So it is said, so shall it be.
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Old 04-08-2010, 09:46 AM
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We have a New Berlin here too. I know I'm not the only one who tends to forget if it's pronounced New BUR-lin or New bur-LIN.
There's also Berlin, WI, pronounced BER-lin. It was pronounced differently before WWII.
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Old 04-08-2010, 09:53 AM
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Obviously accent is on the -SEEN, but is that first syllable a clearcut schwa ("uh") sound, or is it a clipped "ay" that isn't emphasized? In other words, is it like the final syllables of "on al-Jazeera seen" or "by my friend Ray seen" (with 'seen' stressed in both cases)?
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Old 04-08-2010, 11:00 AM
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There's also Berlin, WI, pronounced BER-lin. It was pronounced differently before WWII.
Did they previously pronounce it bare-leen?
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Old 04-08-2010, 04:18 PM
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Folks around here with that family name call themselves ray-SEEN.
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Old 04-08-2010, 04:26 PM
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I lived in the Chicago area for over a decade, and always called it Ray-seen. I think that's how I heard it.
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Old 04-08-2010, 04:29 PM
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Grew up about 20 miles from there - on the Illinois side - and only ever heard it with a long a.
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Old 04-08-2010, 05:19 PM
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As a Brit who's lived on Racine Avenue in Chicago, I use Ray-seen when it's an American placename and the correct pronounciation when it's a French playwright.
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Old 04-08-2010, 05:27 PM
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Born in Wisconsin but left as a child, however my grandparents lived there for many years after and Racine was the next closest "big" city and I always heard it called Ray-seen, emphasis on Seen.
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Old 04-08-2010, 10:24 PM
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There is a Racine Ave. in Chicago, and it was a stop on a bus that I often rode when growing up. The driver always pronounced it "ray-seen", and that's how I say it. I've never heard it pronounced differently.
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Old 04-08-2010, 10:38 PM
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There's also Berlin, WI, pronounced BER-lin. It was pronounced differently before WWII.
There's one in NH pronounced the same way, and it used to be pronounced the other way before WWII also.

I don't think I've read the name in the OP before, but I think I'd go with ray-seen if I had to say it.
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Old 04-08-2010, 10:51 PM
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Ray-seen. Native American English speaker, raised at ground zero of the flat-A Great Northern Vowel Shift territory, but with only a trace of a regional accent left.
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Old 04-09-2010, 06:31 AM
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This is Peter Berryman explaining their Poniatowski song about Poniatowski, Wisconsin and asking a native how they pronounce Poniatowski.

Do you pronounce it Poe-knee-ah-toe-ski or Pon-yah-touw-ski.
Pon-yah-touw-ski
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Old 04-09-2010, 08:49 AM
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I've only ever heard ray-seen with almost but not quite equal stress on the two sylables. The seen part is slightly the heavier stress.

Not saying that's correct or how the natives say it. Just reporting what I've heard living all around the US for a long time now.

We have customers in WI; I'll have to ask somebody next time I talk to them. Although if the previous posts are any indication, even Wisconsite pronunciations will be all over the place.
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Old 04-09-2010, 08:59 AM
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Rah-seen. Because I sang Gabriel Fauré's Cantique de Jean Racine, so I can't think of it any other way.
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Old 04-09-2010, 09:06 AM
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The origin of the word is French for taking root.

In french it's pronounced Rahsin. Oui je parle français.
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Old 04-09-2010, 09:17 AM
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Many residents of Two Rivers, WI pronounce it Trivers. Apparently separating two words is difficult when you live on the lake.

Oh as for the OP- it is Ruh-seen.
My mom grew up in Manitowoc and always called it Trivers. I call it Two Rivers, but if I want to poke fun at her, I say Trivers.

And I call it Ray-seen.
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Old 04-09-2010, 09:30 AM
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I grew up in Racine and pronounce it ruh-SEEN, as does everyone in my family.

The fact that we have a bunch of people from Chicago checking in to say they've always heard it pronounced RAY-seen really just proves the other pronunciation is the correct one.

New Berlin is pronounced New BUR-lin. As far as I know the pronunciation was changed during WWII. This cracks up a buddy that moved here from out of state every time he has to say it.

I have no idea about Trivers as I've only ever heard it as Two Rivers.
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Old 04-09-2010, 10:54 AM
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There's also Berlin, WI, pronounced BER-lin. It was pronounced differently before WWII.
Here in Ontario, "Berlin" got renamed to Kitchener (after Herb Kitchener, a British war hero) during WWI. That showed those pointy-helmeted goons in the trenches! I bet Ludendorf cried when he found out.
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Old 04-09-2010, 11:05 AM
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Usually, in English, there is either a primary or secondary accent on the last syllable anything that ends in -ine. I can imagine ray-SEEN, but not RAY-seen.
xxxx

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Old 04-09-2010, 12:49 PM
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To me Ray-seen sounds like something a hillbilly would say.
So I suppose you consider those folks in Lima, OH to be downright crackers, eh?
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Old 04-09-2010, 01:52 PM
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There's a township in Michigan called Buena Vista, they pronounce it Bewna Vista, ack.
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Old 04-09-2010, 03:22 PM
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A main road in my Snowbird Mom's northern town is named "Milan"-locals say it as "MY-lan." I always pronounce it in the Italian idiom, "Mee-LAAN," and she's always asking me, "What road again?"
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Old 04-09-2010, 08:06 PM
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Here's how I pronounce it:

Kringle!



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<< Nom, nom, nom! >>
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Old 04-09-2010, 08:14 PM
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It's Ruh SEEN.

I've yet to hear any "native" from the area (I live in IL a couple of miles from the border) and have never heard anyone local here or in WI ever pronounce it any differently...
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Old 04-10-2010, 03:36 PM
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Kringle!



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Nom nom nom is right. Mmm... cherry kringle...
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