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Old 12-07-2010, 02:18 PM
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Why are Iodine sales now restricted by the DEA?

Just recently we found that we couldn't purchase solid Iodine as usual from Sigma-Aldrich and most other chemical providers without the DEA authorization paperwork.

So we're going ahead with the DEA form (it's not too onerous) rather than pay exorbitant shipping costs from the few providers who will still sell it without the paperwork.


What's going on? Why did the status of Iodine change all the sudden?

Will there be some restriction on over-the-counter water purification Iodine tablets too?
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Old 12-07-2010, 02:40 PM
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In the United States, the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) regards iodine and compounds containing iodine (ionic iodides, iodoform, ethyl iodide, and so on) as reagents useful for the clandestine manufacture of methamphetamine.
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Old 12-07-2010, 08:16 PM
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I've no idea how easy amphetamine is to come by, but I can easily see a pathway to methamphetamine from that using iodine compounds.

Really, what they need to curb methamphetamine production, is more restrictions on the purchase of pseudophed by cold and allergy sufferers. Colds and allergies are really just symptoms of meth withdrawal, and there is absolutely positively no way to make meth without pseudophed (exept for the method I just came up with which undoubtedly, meth dealers could never ever ever think of.)
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Old 12-07-2010, 08:49 PM
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Colds and allergies are really just symptoms of meth withdrawal,...
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Old 12-07-2010, 09:00 PM
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Blake, do you hear a loud whooshing noise?
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Old 12-07-2010, 09:11 PM
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It's not a whooshing noise when you hanging on the flagpole horizontal in the wind. FTR, I consider the criminalization of psuedophedrine to be the stupidity thing in the the world.
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Old 12-07-2010, 10:18 PM
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Colds and allergies are really just symptoms of meth withdrawal..
This is not true.
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Old 12-07-2010, 10:22 PM
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Blake, do you hear a loud whooshing noise?
He can't because he has a cold and is too congested to hear anything clearly.

If only there was a safe and effective and readily available treatment...
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Old 12-07-2010, 10:57 PM
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Blake, do you hear a loud whooshing noise?
I do now.

I have been involved in several recent threads where people said things just as crazy as that in all seriousness. It only was the poster's history that lead me to be quizzical rather than wasting effort rebutting the claim.

Remember, no matter how crazy a claim is, somebody has probably espoused it seriously on these boards.
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Old 12-07-2010, 10:59 PM
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He can't because he has a cold and is too congested to hear anything clearly.

If only there was a safe and effective and readily available treatment...
Except for that hypertension thing.... psuedophedrine is not a totally benign drug. It can cause hypertensive crisis in susceptible individuals.
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Old 12-08-2010, 12:20 AM
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You know, I'm pretty sure water is used at some point in the manufacture of meth.

(You do need to water those little blue flowers, after all...)
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Old 12-08-2010, 09:53 AM
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You know, I'm pretty sure water is used at some point in the manufacture of meth.

(You do need to water those little blue flowers, after all...)
I think there is a thread somewhere that turned into a discussion of whether a certain Alaskan law makes table salt illegal since it is a salt of HCl and thus (apparently) can be used in making meth.
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Old 12-08-2010, 03:23 PM
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Really, what they need to curb methamphetamine production, is more restrictions on the purchase of pseudophed by cold and allergy sufferers. Colds and allergies are really just symptoms of meth withdrawal, and there is absolutely positively no way to make meth without pseudophed (exept for the method I just came up with which undoubtedly, meth dealers could never ever ever think of.)
This is General Questions, can you at least put a somewhere to indicate your less-than-sincere intent?
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Old 12-08-2010, 03:39 PM
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You know, I'm pretty sure water is used at some point in the manufacture of meth.

(You do need to water those little blue flowers, after all...)
I swear to Gawd, Derleth, if you're using my good Corningware to cook meth in again, I'll tan your hide.
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Old 12-08-2010, 03:57 PM
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I swear to Gawd, Derleth, if you're using my good Corningware to cook meth in again, I'll tan your hide.
You have to admit, though, the residue added a certain something to the lasagna you cooked last night.
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Old 12-08-2010, 04:52 PM
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meh, i can also make an explosive out of iodine and ammonia, we used to do it in high school when lab got boring and we couldn't find the sodium.
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Old 12-08-2010, 06:51 PM
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Last weekend I had to report a burglary at my lake place. When the sheriff arrived to take my statement, I noticed him looking at the gram scale and assorted chemicals on my kitchen counter: potassium permanganate, powdered aluminum, iron oxide, and glycerine.

I explained simply: backyard pyrotechnics. I guess he was OK with that. But he told me that KMnO4 is used in production of meth.

I didn't know that.

I'm kind of glad he didn't see my brand new container of lye that I'm going to use to make soap.

I did know that lye is used in making meth.

Explaining away one ingredient wasn't bad. Two might have been dicey.
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Old 12-08-2010, 07:01 PM
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meh, i can also make an explosive out of iodine and ammonia, we used to do it in high school when lab got boring and we couldn't find the sodium.
And that shit is highly UNSTABLE. Like spontaneously unstable.
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Old 12-08-2010, 07:11 PM
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And that shit is highly UNSTABLE. Like spontaneously unstable.
Indeed.
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Old 12-09-2010, 10:25 AM
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Last weekend I had to report a burglary at my lake place. When the sheriff arrived to take my statement, I noticed him looking at the gram scale and assorted chemicals on my kitchen counter: potassium permanganate, powdered aluminum, iron oxide, and glycerine.

I explained simply: backyard pyrotechnics. I guess he was OK with that. But he told me that KMnO4 is used in production of meth.

I didn't know that.

I'm kind of glad he didn't see my brand new container of lye that I'm going to use to make soap.

I did know that lye is used in making meth.

Explaining away one ingredient wasn't bad. Two might have been dicey.

Now I'm thinking of starting a new GQ: Is there any chemical NOT used to make meth.
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Old 12-09-2010, 10:34 AM
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Now I'm thinking of starting a new GQ: Is there any chemical NOT used to make meth.
Cinnamon.
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Old 12-09-2010, 10:43 AM
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Now I'm thinking of starting a new GQ: Is there any chemical NOT used to make meth.
BaCoN. Because, face it: if it were, there'd be a lot more meth heads.

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Old 12-09-2010, 10:47 AM
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You know, I'm pretty sure water is used at some point in the manufacture of meth.

(You do need to water those little blue flowers, after all...)
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Old 12-09-2010, 11:47 PM
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Except for that hypertension thing.... psuedophedrine is not a totally benign drug. It can cause hypertensive crisis in susceptible individuals.
There was pharmacist who wouldn't let my mother buy Sudafed because she has high blood pressure. I don't know why the pharmacist thinks it's his place to decide what she can and can't take. And she was getting it for my sister anyways.

Obviously, the answer is to go to another pharmacy, but geez. The stuff has been over-the-counter forever, and it wasn't put behind the counter because of it's hypertensive effects. And Mom's taken it dozens of times. Her doctor has even prescribed her stuff that has it in it. But, because his place of work allows him to not give out medicines on ethical grounds, he was able to refuse the sale.

Man, just writing about it again makes me angry.

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Old 12-10-2010, 12:32 AM
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Cinnamon.
That only used to be true, but cinnamon-flavored meth has come largely into fashion this season.
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Old 12-10-2010, 05:37 AM
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And that shit is highly UNSTABLE. Like spontaneously unstable.
Yes, I rather do know. Making TNT was a bit different though, we did that in class with the teacher doing much of the actual work.

I loved the 70s when you could do stupid shit like that without the bomb squad showing up.

And old all silver dimes are perfect premeasured bits of silver for silver fulminate.

And for what it is worth, I did used to work in a chemical factory, and just because someone knows how to do something, and has played at something doesn't mean they are a terrorist so I really don't feel like coming back into the thread and getting lectured at.
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Old 12-10-2010, 07:55 AM
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Yes, I rather do know. Making TNT was a bit different though, we did that in class with the teacher doing much of the actual work.

I loved the 70s when you could do stupid shit like that without the bomb squad showing up.

And old all silver dimes are perfect premeasured bits of silver for silver fulminate.

And for what it is worth, I did used to work in a chemical factory, and just because someone knows how to do something, and has played at something doesn't mean they are a terrorist so I really don't feel like coming back into the thread and getting lectured at.
Lighten up Francis.

Yeah, it doesnt make you a terrorist, even though thats exactly what I called you

But not even remotely mentioning that not only was it an explosive, its probably one of most highly unstable ones does make one rather irresponsible.
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:54 AM
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Lighten up Francis.

Yeah, it doesnt make you a terrorist, even though thats exactly what I called you

But not even remotely mentioning that not only was it an explosive, its probably one of most highly unstable ones does make one rather irresponsible.
Oh? Well, I didn't give the 'recipe" nor the procedure to use, nor suggest anybody make it.

So, if I mentioned you make hash out of marijuana, I am a dealer?
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Old 12-10-2010, 12:01 PM
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Oh? Well, I didn't give the 'recipe" nor the procedure to use, nor suggest anybody make it.

So, if I mentioned you make hash out of marijuana, I am a dealer?
And I didnt in my first post:

Mention your name.

Even imply your name.

Call you a terrorist.

Or lecture you.

And neither did anybody else.

Take your complaint to the pit and see how it goes Francis.
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Old 12-11-2010, 12:32 PM
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Ed. [removed link to methamphetamine recipe]

But the classic work on the subject is Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacture (3rd ed)

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Old 12-12-2010, 05:05 PM
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This has turned into a comical thread - but meth is no joke. IMHO, it's worse than crack and on par with heroin.

Iodine regulation may be overstepping a bit (I used to work for DEA), but it's an attempt at keeping this junk off the street. The execution may be flawed, but the intent isn't.
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Old 12-12-2010, 05:31 PM
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Last weekend I had to report a burglary at my lake place. When the sheriff arrived to take my statement, I noticed him looking at the gram scale and assorted chemicals on my kitchen counter: potassium permanganate, powdered aluminum, iron oxide, and glycerine.

I explained simply: backyard pyrotechnics. I guess he was OK with that. But he told me that KMnO4 is used in production of meth...


I work in Water Treatment in Colorado, and at times, we dump KMnO4 into the drinking water by the pound for taste and odor control. We keep upwards of 20 tons of the stuff on hand during algae season.
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Old 12-12-2010, 06:04 PM
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But the classic work on the subject is Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacture (3rd ed)
It's not what I had thought of. I was considering going from dexedrine. It may be more difficult to obtain, but raise fewer flags.

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Old 12-12-2010, 06:51 PM
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I think the most popular method currently involves the use of a pressurized vessel or "bomb". I think it is called the 'shake and bake' method for anyone interested in, you know, researching it - for a friend, obviously. Most of the reagents are pretty easy to get but will introduce all manner of harmful contaminants. You would have to be extremely desperate in my opinion to consume anything made in this way.
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Old 12-12-2010, 07:30 PM
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1. 1. I've removed the link dzero posted because the site appeared to give instructions on how to make methamphetamine.

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Lighten up Francis.

Yeah, it doesnt make you a terrorist, even though thats exactly what I called you

But not even remotely mentioning that not only was it an explosive, its probably one of most highly unstable ones does make one rather irresponsible.
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Oh? Well, I didn't give the 'recipe" nor the procedure to use, nor suggest anybody make it.

So, if I mentioned you make hash out of marijuana, I am a dealer?
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And I didnt in my first post:

Mention your name.

Even imply your name.

Call you a terrorist.

Or lecture you.

And neither did anybody else.

Take your complaint to the pit and see how it goes Francis.
Can't we all just get along? Please continue the personal portion of this discussion in The Pit.

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Old 12-12-2010, 08:14 PM
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My apologies. I'll try to bear that in mind for the future.

Thank you.
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Old 08-28-2011, 10:45 AM
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iodine

That's great to hear that colds and allergies are just withdrawal, that means my 40 years of suffering will end if I just stop using meth. (maybe I should start using it so I can stop?)

I run a farm and we use iodine to decontaminate, the DEA putting limits and forms on everything hasn't impacted the availability of meth at all, but it has put a real burden on farmers. When we have all 5 of us get a cold together, we have to go to the drugstore every other day because of the limits on sudafed. That costs me a lot of time and money too.

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Old 08-28-2011, 02:12 PM
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I really thought, at the time, that my statement about colds and meth withdrawal was obviously sarcastic. Next time I will be more obvious.

FTR, I occasionally work at a CSA, and I haven't heard of any difficulty getting iodine. I have no problems buying it for brewing beer either.
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Old 08-28-2011, 11:48 PM
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FTR, I occasionally work at a CSA, and I haven't heard of any difficulty getting iodine. I have no problems buying it for brewing beer either.

That's the interesting thing - in the time since I posted this question, it's gotten even more puzzling. A co-worker attempted to turn in the authorization paperwork to the DEA and got a response from them telling him we didn't need any paperwork to buy iodine, but the supplier (Sigma-Aldrich) was still telling us we did.

There were also some other chemical suppliers that were willing to supply iodine without the paperwork, but at least one other (not sure which one) also seemed to be under the impression that we needed to file papers with the DEA.

Still not sure what was going on then. The problem's likely been resolved, since I haven't heard about it in a couple of months, maybe more. But I'm still not sure what happened.
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:24 AM
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Last weekend I had to report a burglary at my lake place. When the sheriff arrived to take my statement, I noticed him looking at the gram scale and assorted chemicals on my kitchen counter: potassium permanganate, powdered aluminum, iron oxide, and glycerine.

I explained simply: backyard pyrotechnics. I guess he was OK with that. But he told me that KMnO4 is used in production of meth.

I didn't know that.

I'm kind of glad he didn't see my brand new container of lye that I'm going to use to make soap.

I did know that lye is used in making meth.

Explaining away one ingredient wasn't bad. Two might have been dicey.
Would your sheriff's last name be Wiggum, by any chance ?

- Hey now, are you using this stuff to cook meth ?
- No sir, it's to build homemade bombs with.
- Oh, all right then, carry on !

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