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Old 08-18-2011, 02:11 PM
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Is my county fair goldfish going to live long?

The kids won a goldfish at the county fair last night and we have it in a small aquarium with some gravel.

Any chance this fish will live long? I can't imagine it was coddled while hanging around in a plastic bag waiting for us to take it home. On the other hand, how much maintenance could it need?

We're going to give it a sliver of food each night but anything else we should be doing?
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Old 08-18-2011, 02:28 PM
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A sliver of ... fish food? Like, a couple of flakes from the pet store? Or do you mean, like, people food?

Do you have a filter, aerator, or any other way to keep the water moving? How big is the "small" aquarium - 5 gallons? 10? Any other fish in there with it?

Goldfish produce more ammonia than most commonly kept fish. It's a primary reason they die in a goldfish bowl - they're suffocating on their own waste.
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Old 08-18-2011, 02:30 PM
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My county fair goldfish lived for 2 years in an aquarium without a filter. It was a fighter, though. Had two aquatic frogs for roommates and they terrorized the poor thing.
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Old 08-18-2011, 02:59 PM
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I had a goldfish from a fair that lived 5-7 years. He ended up as big as my hand, so when he died we had to bury him instead of flush him.
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Old 08-18-2011, 02:59 PM
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I had several county fair goldfish that lived for many years in an aquarium with a filter.

I think the oldest ones were 10 years old before they finally kicked the bucket.
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:04 PM
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I had several county fair goldfish that lived for many years in an aquarium with a filter.

I think the oldest ones were 10 years old before they finally kicked the bucket.
DANM! I've had them last 5 years or so but 10?! Impressive.
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:38 PM
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Goldfish are carp and pretty damned rugged. I've put them in filtered and unfiltered tanks. The unfiltered tanks reeked like pee after a few days, but that cleared up by a couple weeks once the amonia-eating bacteria got established. After that I had goldfish in a tank. And all the excitement that brings. Which is limited. Because it was a fish tank, not an Abrams.

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Old 08-18-2011, 03:51 PM
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I won one in first grade that lived until I was a freshman in college. Goldy was a champ.

The real pertinent question about how long it will live isn't where you got it, but how good you are at taking care of fish.
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:58 PM
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With excellent care, goldfish should live for 10 years or more. The oldest can make it well past 20-years old.
There's a book for everything. Or a site.

If your kids get tired of the fish, consider donating it to someone with a garden pond. In temperate climates, the fish can winter outside.
It is cruel to keep the fish alone in a tank that is too little, or even worse, a bowl. .
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Old 08-18-2011, 04:12 PM
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We got a 39 cent goldfish that lived for ten years, eventually growing large enough to be cklassified as a carp.


All the other fish we had in the tank died, but that one just kept on going.


We also had a betta that was won at a fair that lasted at least three years.


So, yeah, those cheapie fish can really last. Or they might die tomorrow. It's hard to tell.
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Old 08-18-2011, 04:20 PM
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Goldfish can be pretty hardy. A long time ago, I worked in a thrift store, and one of my coworkers had put a "feeder" goldfish (the kind that fish stores feed to their cichlids - pretty much the same kind as yours, just not stuck in a plastic bag and jostled around for a couple days) in a donated fishtank - this was several years before I started, but I was told he was about an inch or so long when they got him. They kept him in a basic tank, and changed the water out every week or so.

By the time I quit a couple years later, "Goldie" was around 5 years old. He'd grown to about 7 inches long, eaten several tankmates, and outgrown three tanks, one of which had sprung a leak over a holiday weekend, leaving him in about four inches of water for three days, before we returned from the holiday. I wouldn't be surprised if the bugger is still alive, 16 years later.
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Old 08-18-2011, 04:20 PM
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The goldfish world record holder for age was apparently won at a fair, and supposedly lived a further 43 years...

I'd recommend getting a cheap filter for the tank if you want it to live more that a few weeks, and preferably some dechlorinator (find out how the filter works so you don't kill the vital bacteria in it- only ever clean them in tank water, never ever under the tap, and don't replace all the tank water with new fresh tap water in one go). Around here you can pick a second hand filter up at garage sales and markets for a tiny amount.

Especially until you get a filter, it's probably best to only feed every second day- really, it won't hurt the fish, and you're a lot more likely to poison it from over feeding - goldfish will keep eating long after they need to, they just don't digest the extra and it comes straight back out and rots. You can't use appetite as even a vague guide. Underfeeding is very hard to manage, they need such a miniscule amount compared to a mammal or bird in order to live.


I'd still be impressed if you beat 43 years though
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Old 08-18-2011, 04:26 PM
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We got a 39 cent goldfish that lived for ten years, eventually growing large enough to be cklassified as a carp.

That makes no sense- goldfish are all members of the carp family, species Carassius auratus, they're not un-carp when they're small and carp when they're big, and they never become common carp, (which is what koi are) they're a different species.
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Old 08-18-2011, 06:09 PM
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Our kids were given a choice of putting the carnival fish in the toilet or in the garden fountain. They chose the fountain. 3 years later, when the fish were too big for the fountain, they were moved to the pond and eventually became 18" lunkers. We moved, but I'll bet they're still there.
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Old 08-18-2011, 06:21 PM
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I won a fish at the fair when I was five that lived to be eleven years old. Big honking thing, too. We kept him in a bowl and had to move him to a bigger bowl when he outgrew the first one. We washed it out once a week or so. We took him camping with us and everything. Good little fish, he was.
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Old 08-18-2011, 06:36 PM
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I won a fish at the fair... We took him camping with us and everything. Good little fish, he was.
That reminded me that I had a fish over for dinner on Saturday.... Yumm.

My kids won a fish at a halloween carnival. I think it's a plot by Walmart to get you to buy tank kits and such. I got a used tank from a friend and after a week, the fish lost it's tail and was covered in mold or fungus or something. I threw in "tablet," also from walmart, and the fish healed. Now the tank is clear, the tail grew back. So far it's 10 months old.

When the fish sees a person walk by the tank, it'll do a little "feed me" dance in the front of the tank. Usually it hangs out in back.

The house plants are alive, the fish is alive, next up is a girlfriend!

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Old 08-18-2011, 07:42 PM
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We had several make it for years in a filtered aquarium but I never had one make it a week kept in an unfiltered bowl.
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Old 08-18-2011, 08:04 PM
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Our fish in the unfiltered bowl

Bought 2 fish 2006, one thrived, the other did not. Took the sick one back to the shop for humane reasons ("Just kill it" said the kid) bought a replacement. Introduced oxygen weed from local dam.

2008 the kid decided the fish had out grown the bowl, she saved and bought a small aquarium, still no filter.

2010 introduced new plant & snails from same shop - both fish dead within the week. Cleaned out the bowl, harvested more 'wild' oxyweed, let snails settle. Bought two more fish.

2011 doing fine, doubled in size. Water fully replaced, gravel rinsed free of waste and tank scraped free (no soap) of snail eggs every two or three weeks.

Hardy little buggers. Still don't know why that plant killed the last lot.
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:10 PM
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My wife "won" one a few years back. We set him up in a posh 10 gallon tank, but he only lived about five months.

The tank has been recycled into a healthy little community of platys, mollies, and an increasingly enourmous pleco.
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:39 PM
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Can goldfish--little carp--be eaten with a decent taste of other panfish? I guess this could be another life-shortening situation (little unintended double meaning there)--which is why I justify sneaking in this question when I could...
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Old 08-19-2011, 09:39 PM
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When I'm fishing on Lake Griffy - a small man-made reservoir here - I'll sometimes see huge goldfish swimming under the water. People let out goldfish into the lake and they grow huge.
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Old 08-20-2011, 01:02 AM
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My daughter won three goldfish at a fair when she was 8. Darryl died after a few years, his other brother Darryl recently commited suicide. Larry endures. My daughter is 25 now, so that makes him 17.
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Old 08-20-2011, 01:26 AM
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Can goldfish--little carp--be eaten with a decent taste of other panfish? I guess this could be another life-shortening situation (little unintended double meaning there)--which is why I justify sneaking in this question when I could...
The common wisdom is that carp aren't good eating. They are certainly eaten in Asia, though, so maybe Americans just prepare them wrong.
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Old 08-20-2011, 04:16 PM
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It died in less than 24 hours -- stupid fish
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Old 08-20-2011, 09:45 PM
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The common wisdom is that carp aren't good eating. They are certainly eaten in Asia, though, so maybe Americans just prepare them wrong.
I agree. Carp are mudsucking fishpigs, and they taste funky. Chinese love them (judging by their restaurants) presumably because they have no alternative in the vast interior.

Carp, with pike and whitefish, are the traditional fish for Jewish gefilte fish. These too are carpy in texture, taste, and environs. Many old-country or newly arrived Jews tell how they would fill the bathtub and let the funk out as the fish got to flit about in clean water before it would meet the horseradish.
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Old 08-21-2011, 04:14 AM
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Our fish in the unfiltered bowl

Bought 2 fish 2006, one thrived, the other did not. Took the sick one back to the shop for humane reasons ("Just kill it" said the kid) bought a replacement. Introduced oxygen weed from local dam.

2008 the kid decided the fish had out grown the bowl, she saved and bought a small aquarium, still no filter.

2010 introduced new plant & snails from same shop - both fish dead within the week. Cleaned out the bowl, harvested more 'wild' oxyweed, let snails settle. Bought two more fish.

2011 doing fine, doubled in size. Water fully replaced, gravel rinsed free of waste and tank scraped free (no soap) of snail eggs every two or three weeks.

Hardy little buggers. Still don't know why that plant killed the last lot.
My youngest won a goldfish at a "Strawberry Fair" when she was five.
As usual it was transported in a polythene bag. Which she dropped in the car.
It arrived home hours later, was put into a large jam jar - we had nothing else at the time.
Bought a small aquarium the following day and dumped it in there - being completely clueless as the the care of fish.
With a modicum of attention and a complete lack of any sort of knowledge, it lived for ten years.

I currently have a small aquarium that was my father's, with among other things a fairly large Angel fish.
At some juncture, snails were introduced and prove to be quite difficult to eradicate, something I have now given up as there is a new solution.

Any snails on the glass - and there can be quite a few sometimes - are crushed against the glass and the Angel immediately gobbles them up.
The shark and other little fish display no interest in crushed snail but the Angel is steadily growing.
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Old 08-21-2011, 04:32 AM
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boozilu, it may seems that nobody cares to notice that Fluffy the Fairground Fillet is finished.

I do.

A tragically short life cut tragically short. May he be met by Darryl, Darryl and Goldie.

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Old 08-21-2011, 10:22 PM
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My youngest won a goldfish at a "Strawberry Fair" when she was five.
As usual it was transported in a polythene bag. Which she dropped in the car.
It arrived home hours later, was put into a large jam jar - we had nothing else at the time.
Bought a small aquarium the following day and dumped it in there - being completely clueless as the the care of fish.
With a modicum of attention and a complete lack of any sort of knowledge, it lived for ten years.

I currently have a small aquarium that was my father's, with among other things a fairly large Angel fish.
At some juncture, snails were introduced and prove to be quite difficult to eradicate, something I have now given up as there is a new solution.

Any snails on the glass - and there can be quite a few sometimes - are crushed against the glass and the Angel immediately gobbles them up.
The shark and other little fish display no interest in crushed snail but the Angel is steadily growing.
We're keeping on top of the snail population in the tank with the current regimen. We did get a whole bunch while they were the only inhabitants, but dumped them in the dam where we get the oxyweed. Haven't noticed a population explosion, but as well as introduced goldfish in there, the dam also contains frogs and eels and its own wild snail population.

I think if any snails are hatching, they're hiding in the gravel and get rinsed out.

We used to have a tropical tank when I was a kid, they're great when they're well maintained. Our guppies were seriously suicidal though. The black molly gave birth and the angelfish went on the rampage. Only one survivor, but he outlasted every other fish in the tank.

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Old 08-21-2011, 10:46 PM
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Any snails on the glass - and there can be quite a few sometimes - are crushed against the glass and the Angel immediately gobbles them up.
The shark and other little fish display no interest in crushed snail but the Angel is steadily growing.
If you grow tired of squishing snails, you could also invest in a loach. They're wee but I swear to god they eat 10 times their own weight in snails in a day.

boozilu - sorry to hear about your fish. Any plans to get a new one? If so, you might want to consider a small tank with a filter.
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Old 08-22-2011, 05:56 AM
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If you grow tired of squishing snails, you could also invest in a loach. They're wee but I swear to god they eat 10 times their own weight in snails in a day.

boozilu - sorry to hear about your fish. Any plans to get a new one? If so, you might want to consider a small tank with a filter.
I did have a couple of loaches but they never displayed the slightest interest in the snails - not even the eggs.
May try again though.

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Old 08-22-2011, 07:51 AM
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I did have a couple of loaches but they never displayed the slightest interest in the snails - not even the eggs.
May try again though.
Try the Clown Loach. I got one and by the next day there wasn't a snail to be found. (They're also very cute.)
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Old 08-22-2011, 03:36 PM
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Try the Clown Loach. I got one and by the next day there wasn't a snail to be found. (They're also very cute.)
I once had a rather large aquarium with about a dozen Clown Loachs. One afternoon I noticed that none of them were in sight, and then this little tiny car drove into the center of the tank....
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Old 08-22-2011, 04:13 PM
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It died in less than 24 hours -- stupid fish
My condolences.

And dark congratulations at apparently doing the impossible: killing a goldfish. But rather than despair, accept and understand your dark gift: then perhaps you could adopt the world's mosquito population....
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Old 08-22-2011, 04:35 PM
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My condolences.

And dark congratulations at apparently doing the impossible: killing a goldfish. But rather than despair, accept and understand your dark gift: then perhaps you could adopt the world's mosquito population....
This gift may not last. I was the Death of Goldfish whenever my kid brought them home from playgroup for holidays. I went with it, waited for the fish to die, cleaned out the tank and bought new fish for the playgroup at the start of term.

The pet shop people remember the list of instructions I gave the kid when she bought her very own pair of fish.

"Do not let me take care of the fish."

"No mum."

"What will happen if you do?"

"They'll die mum."

"Why?"

"Because you kill goldfish mum."

"Damn right."

But they've (mostly) lived since then, and guess who gets to clean the tank? Not the kid.
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Old 08-22-2011, 04:45 PM
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The common wisdom is that carp aren't good eating. They are certainly eaten in Asia, though, so maybe Americans just prepare them wrong.
Carp is a delicacy in Russian, Polish, German and English traditional cuisine - usually served whole and eaten at holiday banquets. Americans think carp taste bad because they're fishing for them in muddy, warm waters. Nothing from those waters is going to taste great, especially a vegetarian filter feeder like carp. Fish from cold northern waters are the best tasting.
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Old 08-22-2011, 07:45 PM
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That makes no sense- goldfish are all members of the carp family, species Carassius auratus, they're not un-carp when they're small and carp when they're big, and they never become common carp, (which is what koi are) they're a different species.
What I mean is that when a cute little goldfish gets large, you don't want to call it a goldfish -- it's a carp.
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Old 08-22-2011, 09:28 PM
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I won a goldfish at a party in Kansas. I live in New Jersey. This was before the TSA considered tap water to be a terrorist weapon, so I took him home on the plane with me in a tupperware container. I opened the lid every half hour or so to give him oxygen, and he arrived home alive and in one piece.

Of course, then he had to go and die six days later. But still. I bet in Goldfish Heaven he's still telling everyone about the time he went through an x-ray machine.
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Old 08-22-2011, 09:51 PM
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I won a goldfish at a fair when I was about 8. It remained in an unfiltered (although somewhat regularly cleaned) tank for about 20 years, until my parents informed me one sad day that there had been a death in the family. I freely admit that I failed to take responsibility for this fish when I left to go to college, but I assumed, correctly I think, that it was in good hands.

I have asked my folks if they replaced that fish without my knowledge, and they insist that they did not. I'm 39 now, so if they're lying about that, well, we have problems.
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Old 08-23-2011, 04:25 AM
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Try the Clown Loach. I got one and by the next day there wasn't a snail to be found. (They're also very cute.)
I looked into this and find that my aquarium and the conditions in it are unsuitable for clown loaches. I would just be dooming them to a short and unpleasant life.

Was worth considering though, thanks.

With reference to the previous post, my nephew lived in London for a while and couldn't manage to keep any fish alive for more than a couple of weeks.

He had words with an expert who advised him to fill his aquarium with Evian water. Worked a treat.

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Old 08-23-2011, 10:26 AM
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I won a goldfish at a party in Kansas. I live in New Jersey. This was before the TSA considered tap water to be a terrorist weapon, so I took him home on the plane with me in a tupperware container. I opened the lid every half hour or so to give him oxygen, and he arrived home alive and in one piece.

Of course, then he had to go and die six days later. But still. I bet in Goldfish Heaven he's still telling everyone about the time he went through an x-ray machine.
When I was a kid and we moved from [state] to [state] the moving truck took all our possessions, and we flew. Dog in a crate in the belly of the plane; goldfish in a Thermos bottle. (This was in the mid-80s.) Nearby passengers were no doubt amused by the sight of a little girl occasionally opening her Thermos and talking to its contents during the flight.
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Old 08-23-2011, 11:20 AM
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Try the Clown Loach. I got one and by the next day there wasn't a snail to be found. (They're also very cute.)
What's wrong with snails? They keep the tank clean by eating algae. Our tank had to have the walls scrubbed every week or else it turned into green wallpaper. One snail added to the tank and the glass is polished clean continously.
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Old 08-23-2011, 07:32 PM
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How do you win a goldfish? Is it a prize you can choose? Teddy bear, AM radio, goldfish?
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Old 08-23-2011, 07:50 PM
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When I won mine it was in a game where they had a bunch of fishbowls set up, and if you tossed a Ping-Pong ball into the bowl from however far away, you won a fish!

I was five, so it was a lot more exciting, then.
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Old 08-24-2011, 03:24 AM
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Goldfish can live decades. Supposedly, a family in china had one for more then 200 years. If treated correctly.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. Throw out bowls. Don't think of keeping a goldfish in a 5 gallon tank, all it's good for is a betta (fighting) fish or shrimp. (It really annoys me that stores can sell 5 gallon tanks as goldfish tanks! it's like keeping a sheepdog in a playpen for all it's life)


Gold fish need at least 20 gallons, each. They need a filter and regular water changes. when it comes down to it, goldfish are carp and carp are dirty fish!

A small tank does stunt a fishes growth, but it's not right or okay. They release a hormone that stops them from growing and if left long enough, it is toxic and deadly.

Gold fish also need treated water. No, you can not let the water sit out overnight. these days they use certain chemicals in the water that do not evaporate.


Fish and hermit crabs are so mistreated it's not funny

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