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Wonderful anti-Muslim e-mail I got
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I am, of course, not even going to respond - no point. I just wanted to share it here. It is obviously extremely sensationalist - the UK 'debating' whether to remove the Holocaust from curriculum could be something serious, or something as minor as one person trying to remove it and being shot down, for example. |
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Anything using the phrase "The Jews" gets an automatic side-eye from me.
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Oh good, the Europeans have found another Semetic people they're convinced are undermining them from within. This should end well.
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Not a single relative of mine has won a Nobel Prize. Heck, my parents didn't even go to college. None of my grandparents went to high school. Instead of accomplishing anything major in physics, chemistry, medicine, peace, literature, economics, or anything else in which they might become famous, my ancestors wasted their time as farmers in the U.S. (and before that in Germany, England, and Switzerland). Before that they were undoubtedly serfs in various places in Europe. There is obviously no hope for any of their descendants then. They are doomed to lives of near slavery in jobs requiring little education.
Incidentally, why has the writer of that E-mail failed to mention the chemistry Nobel Prizes? Are the Jews brilliant in everything except chemistry? Does the writer not know that there is a Nobel Prize in chemistry?: http://www.science.co.il/Nobel-Chemistry.asp Last edited by Wendell Wagner; 09-06-2011 at 11:07 AM.. |
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Abdus Salam won the physics Nobel along with Weinberg and Glashow in 1979.
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I'd tell that person to stop sending me anything that wasn't work related, and I'd forward that particular e-mail to HR.
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Sadly, racism is alive and well. As I've pointed out before, the majority of the world's 1.2 billion muslims don't go around exploding. Save the hate for the extremists.
I'm dubious the original email was actually printed in a Spanish newspaper, can anyone find a source? |
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I'd rather just post it here for entertainment's sake. ![]() This is the weirdest comment: ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ. I feel really bad for all of the non-Muslims living in Europe right now, knowing that they are worth nothing compared to the six million dead Jews. I don't say we shouldn't remember them, of course not, but it seems wrong on so many levels to forget everyone who did survive, including Jews, and people who helped Jews, and people who weren't even born! And I will also add the one thing I always bitch about in these sorts of things - yes, six million Jews died. Millions of other peoples died, too, and I fear we tend more and more to forget those innocents. From Wiki: Romani (more commonly known in English by the exonym "Gypsies"), Sinti, Soviet prisoners of war, Polish and Soviet civilians, homosexuals, people with disabilities, Jehovah's Witnesses and other political and religious opponents, which occurred regardless of whether they were of German or non-German ethnic origin. The total number of Holocaust victims is between 11 million and 17 million people! |
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The bit about the UK debating the removal of teaching about the Holocaust is an exaggeration, to say the least. My rule for glurge-spotting is that any claim that someone "didn't want to offend" someone else is dead wrong, 100% of the time.
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I got that from a Jewish friend, too. It's really hard to respond to these kinds of things. Of course the list is probably accurate, but there are Jewish extremists, too.
OTOH this same friend thought that Osama bin Laden was "kinda hot" and "really intriguing." People are weird. |
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I think it sends a conflicting message to say
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For two groups of people who are so closely related to be so ignorant about what the mainstream members of the groups believe, constantly astounds me.
My husband, a secular and westernized Muslim, is frequently told bizarrely inaccurate generalizations about Jews. He always runs it by me (humanistic Jew) for my take. I return the favor when I'm told similar stuff about Muslims. We usually just shake our heads in sad wonderment about it. Generally, there's no use in responding to all the bizarre allegations in these cases. I just try to pick some of the more outrageous ones that can be refuted easily, and then suggest to person, "If the author got this obvious stuff wrong, what else did he get wrong?" Oy vey... |
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This also is the reason why the "Nobel Prize" comparison is unfair to Muslims - most Muslims population-wise these days are not "Westernized", and so not as likely to be on the forefront of education and science - but this says nothing about Islam as a religion, or Muslims as a people: the exact reverse was true during the 9th-11th centuries, when the role-call of prominent scientists was dominated by Muslims. |
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I can kind of sympathize for the email sender. After all, the Muslims invented Algebra which, to this day, is still the worst thing they've ever inflicted on the world
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)Because the OP mentioned she and the sender of the e-mail had discussed Israel, I was thinking in terms of genes and cultural elements shared by (some of the) Jewish and Arab-Muslim Semitic groups living in what today is referred to commonly as "the Middle East". |
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Toucanna, a nitpick: Yes, the majority of Moslems are not Arabic. Only 20% of them are. No, the majority are not Indonesian. The majority are from Asia, mostly Indonesia, Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh. That's 62% of all Moslems:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam Last edited by Wendell Wagner; 09-07-2011 at 05:11 AM.. |
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Incidentally, in case you're interested, about 80% of all Jews worldwide are Ashkenazic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews Sephardic Jews are about 15% of all Jews worldwide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephardi_Jews |
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Could anyone POSSIBLY believe this was printed in a newspaper? Even in the op-ed section? It's disjointed, meandering, and stops in the middle for a list of 150 names. No editor worth his salt would publish this as it is, even if he WERE working for Aryan Separatists Quarterly or whatever the hell kind of publication would see this as in line with their editorial bent. I'll grant, it's hard to tell how much of this is the "original article" and how much is chaff added on by subsequent forwardees, but in the state we are presented with it here, it's a MESS.
Maybe it's SLIGHTLY more elegant in the original Spanish, but I doubt it. Last edited by Smapti; 09-07-2011 at 06:29 AM.. |
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My Google search brought me to this Spanish-language webpage. At least based on the Google Translate English language translation, it appears to be the same text as the beginning of the quote (except for the list of Nobelists).
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I'm surprised the Spanish author does not lament the 1492 expulsion of Jews from Spain as well. Probably because most of them ended up being taken in by Muslims.
It should hearten anaamika's friend to learn that the Eurabia thing is a myth. |
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Completely inappropriate for the workplace, and I'd tell them to knock it off. |
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One of my relatives was nominated for the Nobel in Economics.
Does this mean he is an Honorary Jew? Does this mean I am an Honorary Jew? Do I get an Honorary Yarmulke? And, are Yarmulkes waterproof? These questions must be answered!
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I'll have to tell this to a Jewish friend who works for a demolition company. They took one down within recent years.
Perhaps it doesn't count, because they used a crane & wrecking ball -- not explosives. And the building had already been de-sanctified, so maybe it didn't count as a church anymore? |
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I'm going to agree with Anne Nevile: this sounds like the anti-Jew propaganda with the vilified party changed.
We always gotta have SOME nationality to use as a scape goat! ~VOW |
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It's a hoax. Spanish language webpage: the reporter who posts it says he's been getting that particular PoS since at least 2005.
While I can't claim to be familiar with the names of every Spanish "columnista" (nor would I want to), that article simply didn't seem to match any newspapers I can think of (there's one which is that imbecilic, but the style is too simple for them), so I searched. Hoax. OK, good to verify that not even our worst rags are that idiotic...
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Aside from Abdus Salam, let me say that Nils Bohr was not Jewish (at least according to a biography I read), although he may have had a Jewish ancestor. And I believe I read somewhere (probably Wiki) that Paul Krugman is.
But these are nitpicks. A millennium ago, the west had not emerged from stagnation and the Muslim world was the center of learning. When Gerbert, the future Pope Sylvester, wanted to lean mathematics he, in the words of one history I read, disguised himself as an Arab and went to school in Cordoba. Incidentally, anti-semitism (by which I mean the anti-Jewish type) is on the rise in Europe. When will the Europeans admit that if they hadn't disgorged their Jewish population, Israel would not have come into being. |
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My first thought when I read the thing was, "Where is the list of Nobel laureate cross-indexed by religion?"
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The person who wrote the E-mail may have gotten the Jewish Nobel Prize winners from this website:
http://www.science.co.il/Prizes.asp |
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Abdus Salam was a member of the Ahmadi sect. The Ahmadis identify themselves as Muslims. The Sunni orthodox imams in Pakistan insist that the Ahmadis are apostates and can't be counted as Muslims. Perhaps the writer took that as the cue to bump the Muslim count down a notch?
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As a Latina with an interest in Latin culture and history, I tend to make a Spanish connection with the year 1492. This year marks both the christian European tradition of genocide on native peoples of the Americas, and the beginning of the expulsion of Muslims and Jews from Spain.
Muslims and Jews both suffered and died through force and tortures from the Inquisition, their wealth was confiscated by Spain, and the banishment of an estimated three million people are a part of their shared history in Spain. In 1928, Garcia Lorca, the Spanish writer and poet from Granada, commented on this, " It was a disastrous event, even though they say the opposite in schools. An admirable civilization and poetry, architecture and delicacy unique in the world-all were lost." |
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This may explain a bit more about the source.
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Pasternak is listed as Jewish, but while his family was Jewish, he himself did not practice and if anything converted to Orthodox Christianity towards the end of his life. I suspect that this might be true for many of the other laureates on the list, both the supposed Jews and the supposed Muslims. It's a pretty meaningless thing, all in all.
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It's true that Jews have won a lot of Nobel prizes, and I think that reflects an emphasis on education in Jewish culture and also the fact that Jews mostly live in wealthy countries, which makes it easier to pursue the kinds of work that might win you a Nobel Prize. I don't think it's to anyone's discredit if their culture or religion doesn't have a lot of Nobels.
It goes without saying that the email is dumb, but the thing that annoys me about it isn't just the prejudice against Muslims. I think most of us are used to seeing that, and I've seen this email before. What bothers me is the phony nostalgic love for Jews. Europeans - not all of them, of course, but many groups over a long period of time - treated Jews like dirt and almost literally blamed them for everything that went wrong in the world. When someone took that idea to its logical conclusion, the reaction from Europeans was actually sort of mixed. And now we have this author who not only thinks that Jews have been wiped out when they haven't been, but has the gall to say 'Now that we've exterminated them, I've realized they weren't so bad after all.' How thoughtful! Worse than that, maybe, is the fact that when you read the letter and the way he or she talks about Muslim riffraff... Quote:
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Speaking of Nobel Prizes I remember a lecture given by Neil DeGrasse Tyson where he was speaking of the disproportionate number of Nobel Prizes that have been awarded to people who identify as Jewish than to those who identify as Muslim.
The reason he gave was that the Islamic world was a Mecca (excuse the pun) for intellectual learning and discovery during the years 800 AD and 1100 AD. During this time algebra, the Arabic numerals and most of the stars that have names were named. It was a time where free thought was at its best and if this trend had continued Dr. Tyson argued that today almost all Nobel Prizes would be awarded to people from the Islamic world. He lamented the fact that religious superstition prevented this wonderfully scientific and mathematical culture from blossoming into something spectacular. He lamented all the ideas that may have emerged from this population which consists of 20% of the world simply had the CULTURAL drive to pursue the sciences and the mathematics. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vfOpZD4Sm8 This is the video I was referencing. To get to the part about Nobel Prizes go to 52:20 and watch for about 5 minutes. |
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Apparently the people pushing that crap think that saying "look, this was published in a newspaper" makes it the summa total of unarguable truth. That mindset reminds me of that website which reads, IIRC,
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Interesting perspective. Despite being hunted for sport across an entire continent they literally rose from the ashes of history to again be productive citizens. You have to ask yourself why? What is it that makes a demographic group of people aspire to greatness despite great adversity? |
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you don't think culture and religion affect society?
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mitochondria are better than yourtochondria.
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When the only asset you have is your brains, you utilize it to the fullest possible extent and excel in your chosen field. |
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I can see the attitude behind this existing in some Europeans, and others. Tearing of the hair and rending of clothing because they killed the Jews they could have exploited. And in trying to exploit the Muslims they've become infested with terrorists. Obviously the Muslims should be killed and another group brought in to exploit.
And of course I can see small minded Jews seeing this and thinking "See, we are so much better than Muslims". |
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