Hello, I’m brand new here. I hope all the old timers accept me and this post.
I’d like to share and discuss this video (documentary/movie) that was released a couple of months ago. As you’ll see, it can either make a person think, or if they’re strongly entrenched in their views, it can make them more encouraged or possibly very angry. The way it tries to get it’s message across is by trying to get people to think of the subject in a different light.
I hope you enjoy it. Please provide feedback, critiques and personal thoughts.
I am always amazed at people who come along and want us to watch 30 minute video with very little indication on what it’s for. I presume it’s anti-abortion? Is there a particular reason we should watch this one? Does it provide new arguments? Or just new faces?
Is it even about abortion; I am just guessing by your thread title.
I know good people who are pro-choice, and other good people who are anti-abortion, so I haven’t found one’s position on abortion to be a reliable indicator.
It’s a very engaging 30 minutes. I don’t believe anyone who watches it will be bored.
Yes, it’s very much about abortion. The two main topics are abortion and the gospel of Christ. It sets up the the rest of the movie by introducing the holocaust.
It may or may not provide a new argument, depending on your background I guess. It tries to present the argument in a different light.
Like Anaamika, most people will not click through to find out what you’re talking about, regardless of what the topic is, and particularly not if it’s a video, and particularly not if the video is longer than 1 minute. I wouldn’t call this board policy, but it is convention and accepted as such. If the video makes specific points that you think should be discussed, make those points here, don’t just link to them.
Wow, I’m glad you caught that. The question of if “you a good person” and if you are pro-choice or pro-life are not meant to be linked, that was not my intention in the subject line.
The video begins with holocaust/abortion and segways into asking people if they think they are a good person. More or less two subjects. Sorry for any confusion.
I’ll watch the first five minutes and report back my first impressions (unless I’m so utterly engrossed that I decide to watch it all, or so instantly revolted that I quit early)…
Okay… it has nothing to do with abortion (or at least the first five minutes don’t), but is actually a big lamentation that there exist:
20somethings who don’t know who Adolf Hitler was.
A mohawked neo-Nazi punk full of praise for Hitler’s policies of genocide, while simultaneously denying that genocide took place.
A older man of apparantly German descent who expresses admiration for Hitler and Mein Kampf.
All mixed with a lot of hackneyed observations and clichés. Will continue watching, though my first impression is already not a good one.
Well, welcome to the boards. I’m a Christian too, and a longtime member here, so just between you and me: this is not a message board that is not exceptionally receptive to cold witnessing. If you haven’t already, I’d encourage you to read some of the other religious threads in this forum and be prepared for some hard questions.
Thank you, but honestly there is not a video in the world that would change my mind away from “abortion for some, American flags for the rest” (that was a joke, son). As I say until I am blue in the face, you will never reduce abortion until you provide adequate education and birth control. Until you educate the children, you will continue to have the abortion rate we have. The only way to deal with this kind of societal problem is to think long-term. Simply telling women “no abortions, nope” isn’t going to work.
The abortion part starts, and in a rather weaselly way I thought, around minute 6 when the interviewer ask a few people if, given the chance, they’d kill Hitler in 1939 (‘yes’ answers among all respondents who made it to the final edit), and then follows up with asking if they’d gone further back in time and had a chance to kill Hitler’s mother while pregnant with him, would they. “Yes” so far (including a comically determined older man of Russian descent who lost relatives in the war and would not only take out Hitler’s mom, but his entire family).
I predict this will eventually lead to some variation on “would you kill Beethoven’s mom”, or something.
Welcome to the board, lockmat. I don’t have time to watch the video either, and it’s not really reasonable to expect everybody to sit there and watch it for half an hour before discussing the issues. Will you please post a summary of the video or at least its key points?
I tried searching for any threads about abortion, but I didn’t see any. I only see one page worths of topics too, I didn’t see a link for a page two. Maybe I missed it. Since I didn’t see a thread similar to my topic, I decided to start the new thread, otherwise I would have simply added it to the discussion. Thank you for the welcome.
I believe it is an important message(s), and I agree, you are correct about thinking long-trem. It is possible to buy these in bulk for $1 a piece, so I’ve already passed about 200 of them to a neighborhood close to mine, simply stating it is something I recently watched and it has affected my life, so I just wanted to share.
Also, the ministry behind the video passed out 180,000 of the videos on college campuses in one day and they’re also beginning to pass them out on public sidewalks outside high school campuses. As the video noted what Hitler said, (paraphrasing, possibly a bad one) “those who influence the children have the future.” Their intent is not to deceive the young adults, but to get them to think. Our culture feeds us world views without even encouraging or asking us to think about it. That’s what this video is trying to do.
Honest question: why pass out 30 minute videos when it would honestly be better to pass out condoms, or even a little treatise on waiting to have children? Because shockingly enough those of us who accept abortion don’t feel you should never have kids - we just feel you should have kids when you’re good and ready. Not when you’re seventeen and unwed.
13:10 - after asking numerous people if in 1942 they’d drive a bulldozer to bury Jews who’ve been shot (and some that may still be alive) if ordered to do so a machine-gun wielding Nazi officer (some people said yes, some said no, some said they didn’t know), the interviewer asks one woman “So you value life?” She says “Of course.” The interviewer asks a similar question to a young man, get a similar answer, then asks him “How do you feel about abortion?”, for the first mention of abortion (that I can find) in the video. Mixed in with lots of Holocaust imagery of piles of corpses is a picture at 13:22 of a dead fetus, ostensibly 24-26 weeks, though there’s no indication what caused its death - it could have died in utero, or been the product of a medically necessary abortion, or a premature delivery brought about by maternal injury or illness - there’s no reason to assume it was an elective abortion.
…continuing to skim for highlights… will report as found.
Yes, I saw and I appreciate that. But since lockmat is the one who started the thread, I’d like him to offer his own version of what the video is about. We discourage threads of this type and the burden of explaining the topic should be on the OP, not on Dopers who volunteer to watch it for everybody else.
Heh, he’s asking people to finish this sentence: “It’s okay to kill a baby in the womb when…”
My response would be to drop the “when” and call it a day.
…continuing…
ETA: Okay, I won’t further comment until the OP does, but I will watch the whole thing with what I fully expect will be geometrically increasing levels of skepticism.