Climate Scientists are Mass Murderers!!!One1

[L. G. Butts, Ph.D.]

Wow.

My OP sucks because I am just too dumbfounded to actually do it justice. I am sure that being speechless will pass, so I am putting this in the pit so I can come back and use the words "fucking assholes" when I get over it.


Heartland Institute compares climate scientists to Ted Kaczynski, Fidel Castro, Osama bin Laden and Charles Manson.

Fuckers.

[Kimstu]

Okay, this is absolutely priceless. It's so ridiculous I'm even finding it hard to get angry about it. From the OP's link:

"The most prominent advocates of global warming aren't scientists," Heartland's president, Joseph Bast, said in a news release. "They are Charles Manson, a mass murderer; Fidel Castro, a tyrant; and Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber." He said other "global warming alarmists" who may appear on future billboards include Osama bin Laden and James J. Lee, who took hostages inside the headquarters of the Discovery Channel in 2010.

On its website, the group says it chose these "madmen" because what they've said "differs very little from what spokespersons for the United Nations, journalists for the "mainstream" media, and liberal politicians say about global warming."

Yes folks, anything that evil people believe must be wrong, no matter what the actual evidence about the subject is or who else believes it!

Did you know that Adolf Hitler (oh come on, this thread was bound to go there eventually, why not now?) was a believer in personal hygiene?! Yes folks, this evil dictator and genocidal despot bathed at least daily! Hitler's position on bathing differs very little from what the "mainstream" media and the Center for Disease Control say about hygiene, which I think tells you all you need to know about that.

Coming up: Fidel Castro brushes his teeth, and the late Chairman Mao turned off the lights when he wasn't using them. DON'T BE LIKE THESE MADMEN!!

[OldnCrinkly]

I hate anyone or anything "Heartland". The phrase just grates on me. No one ever claims to live in Liverland or Pancreasland. Neither of which is nearly as replaceable or "riggable" as a heart. At least they aren't claiming to be Brainland. If you have to make allusions to "hearts" or emotional issues right upfront in your name, I feel justified in discounting whatever claims you make. So, thats just my opinion.

[Euphonious Polemic]

I think the only proper response to the "Heartland Institute" is laughter.

Slap your thigh, tears rolling down your cheeks, straight out laughter.

[Rhythmdvl]

Seems very Rovian. Take one of your weaknesses (actions likely to eventually lead to death and misery on a massive scale) and pin it on your opponents. Reality be damned!!

[Dread Pirate Jimbo]

Do I seriously have to read this article in order to dismiss it as idiotic? 'Cuz I'm pretty sure based on what little I've already seen in this thread that I'm on the right track already and I really don't want to waste my time or possibly damage any of my brain cells looking at anything those cretins have to say.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by Kimstu

Okay, this is absolutely priceless. It's so ridiculous I'm even finding it hard to get angry about it. From the OP's link:


Yes folks, anything that evil people believe must be wrong, no matter what the actual evidence about the subject is or who else believes it!

Did you know that Adolf Hitler (oh come on, this thread was bound to go there eventually, why not now?) was a believer in personal hygiene?! Yes folks, this evil dictator and genocidal despot bathed at least daily! Hitler's position on bathing differs very little from what the "mainstream" media and the Center for Disease Control say about hygiene, which I think tells you all you need to know about that.

Coming up: Fidel Castro brushes his teeth, and the late Chairman Mao turned off the lights when he wasn't using them. DON'T BE LIKE THESE MADMEN!!

Or, in a nutshell: Hitler Ate Sugar!

[Kimstu]

When you think about it, which should really disturb a sensible person more? That some criminally violent madmen accept some of the same scientific hypotheses that you do, or that some criminally violent madmen are more rational than you when it comes to science?

A more honest for the Heartland Institute would be

Charles Manson, a mass murderer. Fidel Castro, a tyrant. Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber. Criminals. Lunatics. But still saner about climate science than we are.

[TriPolar]

Originally Posted by Euphonious Polemic

I think the only proper response to the "Heartland Institute" is laughter.

Slap your thigh, tears rolling down your cheeks, straight out laughter.

I know. I can only laugh thinking about it. It should piss me off in some way, but it's so totally ludicrous. I can't stop grinning as I write, and I grin or smile so seldomly it actually hurts.

[mhendo]

Originally Posted by BrainGlutton

Or, in a nutshell: Hitler Ate Sugar!

Yeah, but the Heartland Institute left Hitler out of its campaign.

I guess they didn't want to risk being thought unreasonable.

[Filbert]

Originally Posted by Kimstu

Charles Manson, a mass murderer. Fidel Castro, a tyrant. Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber. Criminals. Lunatics. But still saner about climate science than we are.

Please can someone rephrase that and stick it up as a counter ad? Pretty please?

[NurseCarmen]

They look like the ads of someone that has lost the argument.

[elucidator]

I say we sic GIGO on them! Yes, that's harsh, but climate war is heck!

[Darth Panda]

Originally Posted by elucidator

I say we sic GIGO on them! Yes, that's harsh, but climate war is heck!

You're going to sic GIGO on Manson, Castro, and Kaczynski? C'mon, they're not so bad.

[GIGObuster]

Originally Posted by NurseCarmen

They look like the ads of someone that has lost the argument.

+1000

Originally Posted by elucidator

I say we sic GIGO on them! Yes, that's harsh, but climate war is heck!

[gets the Iron Maiden and prepares the rest of the dungeon tools]

[notices that our Bad Astronomer already took them to task:]

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/ba...-to-a-new-low/

And the prominent advocates of global warming aren’t scientists? Like Michael Mann and James Hansen? Oh wait, those two are actual climate scientists. You know, the kind of people who are experts in climate science. The kind who don’t tend to sign climate change denial screeds.

Also, the "murderers, tyrants, and madmen" line? Nice, Heartland, nice. Rhetoric like that really makes you look sober, sane, and willing to discuss things rationally.

Always remember, this is the reality Heartland is trying to deny:

Those are the facts. It’s hard to believe anyone takes Heartland seriously at this point. And while they’re fiddling, the world burns.

[UPDATE: Apparently, Heartland has decided to pull down the billboard ad... of course, they're claiming it "got attention" but somehow neglect to mention this attention was overwhelmingly negative and disgusted. But you can expect Heartland to continue their skeevy campaign against reality; I'll note that they not only do not apologize for the ad, but state outright they won't apologize for it. Lovely. Science writer and humanitarian Shawn Otto has posted a list of names and links of companies that support Heartland, just so's you know.]

[Puts iron maiden and other tools back...]

Originally Posted by Darth Panda

You're going to sic GIGO on Manson, Castro, and Kaczynski? C'mon, they're not so bad.

Old news, I had them on my dead pool list or being considered, not enough points though.

[elucidator]

GIGO, baringa! Gaia barada nikto!

[BrainGlutton]

I notice our resident deniers seem to be avoiding this thread.

[The Man With The Golden Gun]

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if climate scientists turn out to be mass murderers.

I mean, you can only take so much idiotic bullshit from global warming deniers before snapping.

[mister nyx]

I remember that dark day, when al-Qaeda released that statement saying they crashed those planes into the World Trade Center in order to eliminate its carbon footprint.

[GIGObuster]

On that note, it is important to remember that the first case of mass murder regarding the AGW issue was made by a denier, Hans Breivik claimed in his manifesto that besides his racism he also thought that another reason for his rampage was that the left in his country deserved to die as they followed an "environmentalist conspiracy"

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...arming-denier/

Although Breivik’s conspiracy theories are insane, they are in line with mainstream opinion among American conservatives. He cites Christopher Monckton’s speech before the Minnesota Free Market Institute in 2009, accusing President Obama of trying to cede United States sovereignty to the United Nations through climate treaties. Monckton — a rabid conspiracy theorist who claims his opponents are Nazis — was a Republican witness before Congress on global warming in 2010.

Breivik also believed that the “Climategate” hacking incident “revealed how top scientists conspired to falsify data in the face of declining global temperatures in order to prop up the premise that man-made factors are driving climate change.”

One of his sources for this delusional claim is right-wing climate conspiracy theorist James Delingpole, who regularly appears on Fox News, including Glenn Beck‘s now defunct show. The Norwegian terrorist also cited climate conspiracy blogger Steve McIntyre, who appeared in a one-hour Fox News special on global warming in 2009. McIntyre’s conspiracy theories have been promoted by Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) and Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK). Dozens of Republican members of Congress have endorsed the Climategate conspiracy theory.

In reality, science is not partisan. It is a fact that the burning of hundreds of billions of tons of coal and oil is dangerously warming the planet. The torrent of propaganda spewed by conservative outlets and politicians to fight action is toxic and irresponsible.

So much from Breivik claiming he got his ideas from Wikipedia, in reality the sources Breivik relied were and are charlatans.

To me it is horrible in the extreme that it does not bother one bit to outfits like the Heartland Institute that they continue to spew the same lies that guys like Braivik swallowed hook line and sinker.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by GIGObuster

To me it is horrible in the extreme that it does not bother one bit to outfits like the Heartland Institute that they continue to spew the same lies that guys like Braivik swallowed hook line and sinker.

What makes you think they even disapprove of him?

[Little Nemo]

"Hi, I'm Charles Manson. Back in 1969 I ran a cult in the desert and I commanded my followers to kill a bunch of people in order to start a race war. Or maybe I was upset over a record deal. I'm not really sure. The point is I'm one stone cold crazy motherfucker. But even I'm not crazy enough to deny global warming. C'mon the evidence is overwhelming and every informed scientist on earth is in agreement. You'd have to be really nuts to deny global warming is real. Like the fine folks at Heartland Institute. Take it from me, Charles Manson, those guys are crazy and I know crazy."

[Kobal2]

Originally Posted by Little Nemo

"Hi, I'm Charles Manson. Back in 1969 I ran a cult in the desert and I commanded my followers to kill a bunch of people in order to start a race war. Or maybe I was upset over a record deal. I'm not really sure. The point is I'm one stone cold crazy motherfucker. But even I'm not crazy enough to deny global warming. C'mon the evidence is overwhelming and every informed scientist on earth is in agreement. You'd have to be really nuts to deny global warming is real. Like the fine folks at Heartland Institute. Take it from me, Charles Manson, those guys are crazy and I know crazy."

My name is wolf kabob Roth vantage, and I approve of this message. Do you feel blame ?

[RTFirefly]

GIGO, thanks for including the link to that page with links to companies funding the Heartland Institute. I started off the morning with emails to a couple of them, explaining why I would be doing my level best to minimize my future business with them.

[JKellyMap]

Originally Posted by RTFirefly

GIGO, thanks for including the link to that page with links to companies funding the Heartland Institute. I started off the morning with emails to a couple of them, explaining why I would be doing my level best to minimize my future business with them.

Switching to Linux, then, are we?

[Shoujin]

Ah, The Heartland Institute. Nice rational argument y'all have on that there billboard. Just keep diggin' that hole, now.

[The Other Waldo Pepper]

Originally Posted by BrainGlutton

I notice our resident deniers seem to be avoiding this thread.

What would you have them say?

[Sailboat]

I think it's important to distinguish between their position, which is insane, and their selves, who are not so much "insane" as "willing to kill and displace others for money." They have to realize their position will eventually result in death and misery, but right now they themselves are getting paid to espouse it, and they don't expect to be around when the resulting crisis peaks. It's more a ruthless selfishness than it is inability to comprehend the science -- the difference between "evil" and "dumb or insane."

[Darth Panda]

Originally Posted by Sailboat

It's more a ruthless selfishness than it is inability to comprehend the science -- the difference between "evil" and "dumb or insane."

Now, in all fairness, some are probably all three.

[Little Nemo]

Originally Posted by Sailboat

the difference between "evil" and "dumb or insane."

Evil = what they actually are
Insane = what they're acting like
Dumb = their target audience

[Jenaroph]

Originally Posted by JKellyMap

Switching to Linux, then, are we?

As is mentioned in the comments on that page, there's a difference between supporting and supporting.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...ses/?mobile=nc

Microsoft offers free software licenses to non-profit organizations. Heartland requested them. Microsoft granted them. That appears to be the sum total of their "support."

Kind of the like the Rush Limbaugh advertiser list, I wonder if there's a few errors on that list. It's good to see companies rushing to disavow Heartland, in any case.

[elucidator]

It would appear, then, that the demographic of people likely to be angry at a company that promotes pusbuckets like Heartland is big enough to tighten the sphincters of the Marketing Department. Which is an interesting development just by itself.

[Kobal2]

Originally Posted by elucidator

It would appear, then, that the demographic of people likely to be angry at a company that promotes pusbuckets like Heartland is big enough to tighten the sphincters of the Marketing Department. Which is an interesting development just by itself.

That, or the PR departments of large companies are staffed by gigantic pussies whose entire job it is to withdraw out at the slightest hint of any controversy whatsoever with a quickness.

[waterj2]

Originally Posted by Kobal2

That, or the PR departments of large companies are staffed by gigantic pussies whose entire job it is to withdraw out at the slightest hint of any controversy whatsoever with a quickness.

And then they find a new group to support that isn't as notorious yet, and repeat the process a few years down the road.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by Kobal2

That, or the PR departments of large companies are staffed by gigantic pussies whose entire job it is to withdraw out at the slightest hint of any controversy whatsoever with a quickness.

MAYOR QUINBY: Not now, Lisa! I'm in a meeting here with representatives of corporate sponsors to plan the Jedediah Springfield Day festivities!

LISA: Do you realize you're honoring a murderous pirate?!

SUIT: A pirate! Well, that's hardly the image we want for Long John Silver's! [leaves]

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by elucidator

It would appear, then, that the demographic of people likely to be angry at a company that promotes pusbuckets like Heartland is big enough to tighten the sphincters of the Marketing Department. Which is an interesting development just by itself.

OTOH, there are some corporations who have a bottom-line reason to support the Heartland Institute or something like it, no matter how unpopular it gets, because any action taken to stop global warming would hurt their bottom lines even worse.

[gamerunknown]

I don't blame them. Inductive reasoning is tricky.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by gamerunknown

I don't blame them. Inductive reasoning is tricky.

Science is tricky.

[Anne Neville]

Originally Posted by The Man With The Golden Gun

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if climate scientists turn out to be mass murderers.

I mean, you can only take so much idiotic bullshit from global warming deniers before snapping.

I used to do computer support for a group of scientists that included some climate scientists. The climate scientists had a reputation for not being very nice, and for being the users you didn't want to deal with. There was some speculation that this was because their results made them depressed and angry.

Of course, whether they're nice or not doesn't really have much to do with whether their results are accurate. We'd have to throw out all of Newtonian physics if we were using that standard.

[LonesomePolecat]

Meh. They're no sillier than PETA's billboards equating meat-eating with the Holocaust. In any case, the billboard ads have been pulled.

[Ludovic]

Originally Posted by LonesomePolecat

Meh. They're no sillier than PETA's billboards equating meat-eating with the Holocaust.

And this makes it meh-worthy....how?

[Musicat]

Hah! Poe's Law strikes again.

[LonesomePolecat]

Originally Posted by Ludovic

And this makes it meh-worthy....how?

(shrug) Just more political foolishness, that's all. Not terribly different from the climate change hysteria we get from the likes of GIGO Buster.

[Rhythmdvl]

Facts are hysterical now?

[Rune]

And just off the press!!!11 Climate Change Denial is the new Racism!. Bonus inside: Bat-Shit Crazy Liberal Professor Idol Poster.

[GIGObuster]

Originally Posted by LonesomePolecat

(shrug) Just more political foolishness, that's all. Not terribly different from the climate change hysteria we get from the likes of GIGO Buster.

Yeah, hysterical like the conservative republican Mormon scientist at BYU Barry Bickmore?

http://www.npr.org/2012/04/13/150577...litics-collide

That's what Brigham Young University geochemist Barry Bickmore found in 2010 when he tried to derail Utah legislation calling man-made climate change a hoax. Among other things, the resolution cited the "climategate" scandal in which stolen emails purportedly showed that climate scientists had manipulated data. The scientists were later cleared by an investigative panel.

Bickmore wrote letters and telephoned lawmakers to kill the bill, but it passed anyway. "They absolutely did not want to hear," he says. "It was all Republicans driving this — every single Republican in the Legislature voted for the thing.

"It wasn't like they were responding to convincing arguments," he adds. "They were just listening to people who were telling them what they wanted to hear, and substituting their authority for the majority of experts."

Bickmore — who is himself a conservative Republican — sees the issue of climate change as a disaster for Republicans who he thinks will ultimately be blamed as the evidence becomes incontrovertible and the damage appears irreversible.

Still, he's in no hurry to change his politics.

"I think Republicans need to hear this from someone in their own tribe," he says.

Just apply this thought experiment to your puny brain if you dare:

When more than a super-majority of the scientists and experts are telling you something, why it is that you think that all of those scientists and experts are using politics and not science? In other words, it is really stupid to think that all of them are in a conspiracy.

[GIGObuster]

Originally Posted by Rune

And just off the press!!!11 Climate Change Denial is the new Racism!. Bonus inside: Bat-Shit Crazy Liberal Professor Idol Poster.

March 31, and the Daily Fail. Late and wrong as usual. I would not trust their out of context quotes at all.

[Anne Neville]

Know who was a big fan of using scientists' political opinions to judge the validity of their theories? Joseph Stalin.

[Kimstu]

Originally Posted by LonesomePolecat

Meh. They're no sillier than PETA's billboards equating meat-eating with the Holocaust.

For an organization aspiring to be regarded as a politically serious think tank, running an ad campaign about a policy issue that is merely "no sillier than" a PETA billboard is setting the bar kind of low, don't you think?

Everybody already knows that PETA is an ideological extremist "press slut" organization whose only effective mission is to call attention to themselves with deliberately provocative media stunts.

And now, thanks to this ridiculous "climate science madmen" campaign, everybody knows that the Heartland Institute is one too.

[GIGObuster]

Originally Posted by Anne Neville

Know who was a big fan of using scientists' political opinions to judge the validity of their theories? Joseph Stalin.

Yep, as scientist Richard Alley could tell you, politicians (that for some funny coincidence in this case are virtually all Republicans in the pockets of big industry) are the ones that are embracing the idea that they can dictate to scientists what to say.

BTW, Richard Alley is also a Republican.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Rich...tary-Book.html