In Gymnastics, are there any significant milestones believed to be possible, but not yet achieved?

[Mangetout]

Innovation in gymnastics seem to have been reasonably steady up until about 1990 - I found this list of firsts for a variety of different moves.

I realise that the increase in difficulty between successive versions of the same move is probably geometric, rather than linear, but in terms of what humans can theoretically achieve, have we reached the plateau? Is a quadruple twist (or whatever) just plain forever impossible?

[Ike Witt]

I don't think anyone has done a Victorian Cross.

ETA: It is a rings thing.

[The Universe Lashes Out]

Who's to say what's impossible? People thought that running a four-minute mile was impossible, and yet now many people can do it.

[Sicks Ate]

Originally Posted by Ike Witt

I don't think anyone has done a Victorian Cross.

ETA: It is a rings thing.

I Googled to find a description, and happened across a possible account in 2008.

[Mangetout]

Originally Posted by The Universe Lashes Out

Who's to say what's impossible? People thought that running a four-minute mile was impossible, and yet now many people can do it.

I'm not asking what's impossible - I'm asking what's believed to be possible, but not yet quite achieved.

But regardless, some things are impossible. If a four minute mile was ever considered impossible, those people were wrong. Maybe a three minute mile is possible, but a three-second mile certainly *IS* impossible.

[dataguy]

Originally Posted by Ike Witt

I don't think anyone has done a Victorian Cross.

ETA: It is a rings thing.

So this is real thing, huh? I read a story called The Victorian in a magazine long ago. It was about a gymnast who accomplished this. I always wondered was it just made up.

[That Don Guy]

My first thought was, a quadruple somersault dismount from the high bar. It wasn't that long ago when people thought a quadruple somersault on a flying trapeze was equally "impossible."

[Isamu]

On the floor, it's theoretically possible but I haven't seen or heard of anyone doing it yet:

A Hello Boys, leading into Party Date, Crazy Date, Party Date, Flatbag routine.

[Ike Witt]

Originally Posted by dataguy

So this is real thing, huh? I read a story called The Victorian in a magazine long ago. It was about a gymnast who accomplished this. I always wondered was it just made up.

Yeah, I read that story as well (I think it was in Playboy). Looking at the link Sicks Ate provided in post 4, it sure looks like that guy did it, not how I would imagine it to look if it were perfect, but still an amazing feat.

[lisiate]

We know a Korbut Flip is possible if you can stand on the high bar, but since they changed the rules to prohibit standing on the high bar the move has disappeared. Is it possible to launch backwards off the highbar without standing on it and do one?

[Farmer Jane]

Originally Posted by lisiate

We know a Korbut Flip is possible if you can stand on the high bar, but since they changed the rules to prohibit standing on the high bar the move has disappeared. Is it possible to launch backwards off the highbar without standing on it and do one?

Thanks for the link. The way she uses her abdominal muscles is...wow. You couldn't do that on the parallel bars, I don't think, without falling on your ass. But it could be done on a balance beam...

[rocking chair]

gol, i remember there was one woman who did a walkover across the balance beam, not along, across, on the 4" bit. that was just amazing, and i don't remember anyone else doing that.

[etv78]

Originally Posted by Mangetout

Innovation in gymnastics seem to have been reasonably steady up until about 1990 - I found this list of firsts for a variety of different moves.

I realise that the increase in difficulty between successive versions of the same move is probably geometric, rather than linear, but in terms of what humans can theoretically achieve, have we reached the plateau? Is a quadruple twist (or whatever) just plain forever impossible?

Have you ever seen an equivalent list for figure skating?

[Dangerosa]

Originally Posted by Farmer Jane

Thanks for the link. The way she uses her abdominal muscles is...wow. You couldn't do that on the parallel bars, I don't think, without falling on your ass. But it could be done on a balance beam...

I love old style uneven bars. The new style is uninspiring.