Mp3 files to ipad 4

I’m a Windows user and I’ve been helping my wife in learning to use the iPad. The biggest hanger is getting stuff onto the iPad. No USB port. No SD car reader. Okay, I bought one of those SD readers, but unless you number a processed file just right, the iPad won’t accept it. Frustrating.

I recorded a brief radio interview that I wanted to place on her iPad. It’s a 14 meg mp3, low quality setting. I emailed to her using gmail. She is able to listen to it within the gmail message.

However, how do I get the file onto the ipad so one can listen to it on the iPad outside of the email program? I have iTunes on my XP Windows machine, but that’s in my name. I imagine iTunes is already installed on her new iPAD?

So if I dump the file into my library in that convoluted iTunes on my windows machine, then would she be able to access it with her itunes on the ipad? Same in-house network. Somehow I think that won’t work. And I hate using iTunes. That’s why I have a Sandisk Sanafuse for Podcasts. Easy to get things on or off. Can’t wait for the Surface Pro. Meanwhile ANY SUGGESTIONS on how to get a simple mp3 file onto the iPad?

Use Dropbox, or the App “Documents” from Olive Toast.

ETA: Or, the obvious way, sync with iTunes.

iTunes on your Windows machine is the recommended way to move files to and from an iPad. iTunes (or the Podcast App) on the iPad is the best way to play mp3 files.

As you have found out, the SD card reader dongle for the iPad is pretty limited - it is designed for photos and the iPhoto App is the only App that really knows how to read files from it. It is not intended as a general purpose way to get files on and off the iPad.

For a moment, forget what you know about copying and managing files on a PC and think of it this way - every App you see on the iPad is actually a folder. In that folder is an icon (what you see and tap), an actual application like EMail, iTunes music player etc. - AND all the files that are created or used by that application - they MUST be in this one folder. This last point is the biggest difference and can be hard to understand and get used to.

As a result, an App cannot see or do anything to a file in another App’s folder. This is a great simplification for ease of use and a good protection against rogue apps, malware and viruses.

So, Email can get your mp3 file and has the smarts to play it - but it does not know how to save it (if it did it would make sharing music very easy and Apple cannot do that and keep the music industry happy). So, you need to use something else. Dropbox will do, but the last time I looked, it does not have a very sophisticated music player built-in - and it cannot place a file in the iTunes App (iPad music player) folder.

iTunes on your XP box is the way to go if you want to play the mp3 file with the iTunes music player App or Podcast App on the iPad. Only iTunes on the PC has the smarts and the ability to copy file to the correct ‘App folders’ on the iPad.

Once you get the mp3 file imported into iTunes on the PC as a music file or podcast, you can then connect your iPad, check off the files to be sync’d and the sync process copies things over to the correct locations. Detailed instructions are easy to find on the web.

Appreciate beowulff amd jasg’s responses. Sorry to be so stupid on iTunes but the program frustrated me when I purchased my iPOD, which I no longer use…however, I have kept the iTunes software on the XP Pro machine up to date and on my Vista laptop.

So…if I “transfer” or “add” or whatever the word is that mp3 file (NOT copyrighted music, it’s free talk) to the iTunes folder on my XP machine…and that account is under MY name and my wife’s iPAD is under HER name…can I just go to her iTunes and what? It certainly can’t access my iTunes automatically? So how do I get it from MY iTunes to HER iTunes?

I appreciate the explanation jasg on how the iPAD looks at apps as folders, etc., but, wow, why can’t I just add the file to a folder on the iPAD, as I so with my Sandisk Sansafuze? Surface will have a USB port and simple Windows transfer schemes that blow this iPAD “lock down” out of the water. It’s almost as if it’s the reverse of Apple’s 1984 commerical. They want to control every piece of content on an iPAD. However, I’m stuck with it - so I have to learn how to manage it but if you only want to look at published content or snap photos with it, you’re fine. Try putting any type of processed or captured content on it and roadblocks. Cute to look at media on it but try doing any work with it and you’re on the wrong machine. Do have that right? - Larry

When you refer to ‘MY name’ and ‘HER name’, are you talking about your account names for the iTunes Store? If so, that is another discussion to be had - especially if you are both buying things from the iTunes Store under separate accounts.

If you simply mean that you each run iTunes on the PC under different PC account logins, use email/shared folders to get the MP3 file to her PC account. Then you use the ‘Add to Library’ file menu command to add the MP3 file to the iTunes database. Then plug in the iPad and sync to the iTunes under her PC account.

Yep, you have it right. Apple and Microsoft have chosen very different paths for iPad and Surface Pro when it comes to file management. Apple want the individual Apps to handle files for the user. Microsoft leaves file management to the user. I spent almost 20 years as a Windows programmer (and a few as a Mac programmer), so I can understand each approach - but it is confusing when you get used to one or the other.

My best advice for users who hate/get confused by iTunes is let it do what it wants to do. Don’t try to force it to do what you think it should do. (I am not a big fan of iTunes, but I put up with it as the easiest way to deal with my iPad/iPhone).

Thanks…you seem to understand how confused a Windows user can be. And to think I started with the Mac SE in the late 80s.

Understand what you’re saying and have now uploaded manually the talk MP3 I want to get to the Ipad, which is on the same wireless network in the house but it’s my wife’s apple ID.

I opened iTunes on the iPad and I get nothing but things to buy. How do I join the iTunes library from my PC or do I somehow plug the IPOD, where it is also now…into the IPAD? Or do I log in - somewhere? - on her iPAD with Itunes in my account name…??

You can understand how convoluted this is…but I appreciate so much your help. - Larry

Oh, crap. I have given you some bad advice…

On the iPad, forget what I said about the iTunes App. As you have seen, it is the App you use to buy music and videos directly to the iPad. You buy these things from the ‘iTunes Store’.

You play them back with the Apps called ‘Music’, ‘Podcasts’ and ‘Videos’ (which have buttons to take you to the ‘Store’ - which starts the iTunes App… Also on the iPad are Apps called iBooks and App Store that you use to purchase Books and Apps.

On the PC, you have a THIRD iTunes in addition to the App and the Store. On the PC, the iTunes application combines everything into one, cumbersome and confusing application. It is:

  1. A database manager for your music, podcasts, TV shows, videos, books, Apps (for iOS devices), ringtones and more.
  2. The interface to the iTunes Store where Apple will happily sell you all sorts of stuff
  3. The music and video player for your PC
  4. The sync, backup and restore tool for your iPad, iPod and iPhone.
  5. Allow you to update the OS on the iPad when new ones are released.

(see why I hate iTunes on the PC? It does way too much and should be refactored. On the iPad it takes six Apps to do what one does on the PC.)

Tying this all together is your AppleID (iTunes Account name) that you use to purchase things from the iTunes Store. You should use the same AppleID on the iPad and from within iTunes on the PC. As I said, if you are using two - we need to have another talk.

You cannot connect the iPod and iPad together, don’t even try. What you want to do is to connect the iPad to your PC using the iPad USB charging cable. Then start the iTunes application on the PC.

Once iTunes PC is running, you can select your iPad and via a series of panels, check off the items you want copied from iTunes PC to the iPad. Sync moves them - and also creates back up copies of anything your purchased directly on the iPad (this is why you need to use the same AppleID).

On your iPad, you can use Safari to get a lot of info at:

http://help.apple.com/ipad/6/

but that link will not display on a PC, it will let you download the PDF equivalent.

Hey, JASG - THANKS! No problem on the “bad advice,” heck, I wouldn’t know bad from good in this rodeo.

I really appreciate all the work you’re going through to educate me. Hopefully, this will pay off and I’ll be sure to let you know. I just studied your run-down and, if I’m hearing you right, I should connect the iPAD to a USB port on my PC. Then, like with my old iPOD, iTunes on the PC will recognize the iPAD as a device, correct?

At that point I can slide over that audio file? I don’t carry much in itTUNES on my PC as I don’t use my iPOD. A few free podcasts. Should I delete these before I try synching the iPAD to the PC? Or can I delete them once they’ve come over onto the iPAD? I don’t want to clutter up her 16 gig iPAD.

I’m trying to think if I even have an “apple ID” on my PC-based iTUNES…I fired it up with my POD and it seemed to synch there so it recognizes something. That’s how I loaded the audio file to the iTUNES and it made it from the PC to the POD.

We have not give a credit card to anything on the IPAD and I haven’t on the PC to iTUNES. I noticed when I opened the iTUNES APP on the PAD that all that came up was a series of stores to buy various kinds of music, etc. Looked so different than the iTUNES on the PC (and they’ve changed that interface too, I noticed, from, say, a year or so ago). BUT maybe, if I connect the PAD to the PC…and itunes opens on the pc it will all make sense?

God bless Apple…why do they make this so difficult? This has made me more of a Windows fan than ever…the 2,000 Microsoft employees sitting in several building about 5 miles from where I’m typing this would love to hear me saying this. :slight_smile: - Larry, in Fargo, ND

In case you’re not clear…the iPad works with iTunes exactly the same way the iPod works with iTunes. You organize music (or any mp3) and video and ebooks and podcasts in iTunes on your PC and then you plug in your iPad and synch it with iTunes just like you do with the iPod. When you go to play music (or any mp3) that has been synched between iTunes on the PC and the iPad, you use the Music app on the iPad.

That’s what I was thinking, Zipper…haven’t plugged in the ipad to the pc yet, where I have iTunes as resident. Will try that. I’m thinking at that point it will want to sync my PC itunes with the iPAD, correct?

Also…I have the software set to “manually” sync with the POD. Should I change that setting before I plug in the PAD? Really appreciate your help. Once I learn this, I’ll gain a lot of knowledge about the PAD, as a Windows user for the last 15 years. - Larry

Each device has it’s own configuration. One can be set to manually manage, the other to auto-sync. It’s up to you.

Okay…now if I can find that setting on the Ipad. Maybe it’s on all those settings down the left side of the screen after hitting the “settings” button…or do you go into Itunes and find settings there…this is on the Ipad…the settings for iTunes automatically came up with the PC software. - Larry

Those would be in iTunes on the PC.

Note that with the most recent versions of iOS (I think since iOS 5), you can do over-the-air syncing on your wifi network. You do have to do the first sync with the local iTunes library through the USB port. There is a setting on the iPad and on iTunes (on the general settings tab of the device settings in iTunes) to enable wifi syncing. Once you do that, every time you plug the iPad into the wall to recharge, if the computer and iPad are on the same network, and iTunes is running on the computer, the sync will happen automatically. The most important part of that is backup, since it sounds like you don’t keep much in iTunes. The backup is mostly of application data, by the way, since the apps themselves can be restored directly from the cloud–Apple knows what apps, songs, books, and videos you have purchased from them, so they can be restored automagically if you buy a new device or need to reset or replace the old one due to problems.

We have multiple Macs, an iPad, and everyone in my family has iPhones. Pretty much none of us ever use iTunes on the Macs except for occasional backup. There is no real need to transfer documents most of the time. I vote for the Dropbox solution for sharing docs (including mp3s). You can use the Dropbox app (free), or just share a link which you can open in Mobile Safari and view or play in the built-in viewers (which handle every common document type I’ve ever dealt with, including MS Office documents).

There are also tons of free and low-cost apps that integrate with Dropbox (and other cloud services) and provide nicer interfaces for doing the things you want to do, including document editing.

As far as post-processed photos, I don’t do much of that, but I do know that if you plug an SD card directly from a camera into the SD card reader dongle, it will automatically download everything to the Photos App photo library (not iPhoto–that’s a separate, paid app that supports a lot of simple post-processing tasks). There are lots and lots of apps that can access the built-in photo library to mess around with the pictures.

The idea of every app having its own document silo is only partially true. You need not use the Music, Video, or Photo apps that are built-in. Their data is accessible through public APIs, and there are many third-party apps that are superior to the built-in ones. Also, the Apple Podcasts app is an optional, free app, and is currently not that great. Use Podcaster, Stitcher, or any of a number of other apps instead.

Hope that helps.

Wolf and Rick…thanks so much! This is helpful. Rick…regarding the photos…YES, that dongle for the PAD does allow easy downloading from the CAMERA. But, what I was trying to do…I know…Apple slaps my fingers…is take photos I had sized and fixed in Photoshop Elements over to the iPAD. No cigar! After I spent an hour messing around with changing the numbers on the photos and transferring to an SD card…FINALLY…they ported over. But what a frustrating exercise. The only place that dongle is good for is if I shoot a bunch with my Nikon D3100, I can let the Mrs. look at 'em on her iPAD by direct transfer. Otherwise, it’s useless.

Why oh why, didn’t Apple put a USB port on their treasured PAD and just let me slide over files? Like I say, it’s 1984 all over again on control. Praise the Lord and Microsoft for what they’ve done with the Surface PRO…which should be out soon. Meanwhile, I have to make my wife’s iPAD work or throw a $500 piece of junk in the recycle bin. What I really can’t believe is how so many LOVE their iPADS. I guess these are people who don’t do any work with their computers like the voyeurism of the PAD. Just watch movies and tap around the web with their fingers.

This is a GREAT board and thank you for the help. I’ll try these latest suggestions…Larry

To clarify: this option will not appear until you plug in your iPad. It’s under the first tab of options when you plug it in and iTunes recognizes it. Don’t be afraid to plug the iPad in, the PC shouldn’t do anything to it you don’t tell it to.

I just want to repeat what others have said so much better: don’t put your head through the wall by making iTunes do stuff it’s not designed to do. Try to understand the way Apple wants you to do things (maybe even why) and see if you can make it work to your advantage. It will save you much headache.

The Surface Pro is a very different device than the iPad - essentially it’s an underpowered ultrabook rather than a tablet. It’s also kinda pricey.

Once you have transferred the audio file you will see that iTunes is (very unintuitively, I grant you) also the program to transfer your photos. You will see a tab next to General, Music, Movies, TV shows, etc…

iTunes will sync photos from your PC from one folder and exactly one layer of subfolders. These subfolders will turn into “albums” on the iPad.

ETA: I am one of those people who love their iPads (in fact, the last two posts were composed on it), and it’s due to the fact that I try to understand the way Apple products “think”. You can do all sorts of awesome stuff with an iPad, but forcing it into a workflow that “you know must work” will only end in tears.

Two things, primarily. 1) Apple puts a premium on thin and light, and usb ports (even micro-usb) add thickness and weight. 2) Apple wants you to use wifi to do this kind of stuff, and you can.

Here’s one app I found: Photo Transfer App. Adobe also has a Photoshop app, which may allow you to transfer pictures back and forth, though I don’t know for sure. It allows you to do some photo processing directly on the iPad.

You’d be surprised how much actual work you can do with an iPad. It’s an incredible tool for creative work. But there aren’t many creation tools built-in besides basic things like email and notes. But there are tools out there for making music, art, movies, etc. There are word processors (including DTP type things), spreadsheets, and the like that will blow you away. The worst part is that I’m not good at typing on the on-screen keyboard. However, the iPad 3 and later have really, really good dictation built-in, and you can use any bluetooth keyboard you like with it if you want to do serious typing.

It’s a cliche, but pretty much anything you want to do–there’s an app for that. You’ll have to pay for the best ones, but usually a lot less than software for a desktop machine.

Not saying it’s a perfect device, but it’s a damn good one, IMHO.

You may be right, Rick…but and the Zagg keyboard case helps vs. that onscreen keyboard…but, like Photoshop Elements, InDesign layout, Excel, Powerpoint…this is what I mean about not being able to do any work. And then why the restrictions on loading stuff? It may be fine for a light computer user like my wife…but it wouldn’t take me to first base with the work I do everyday. I’ll check out that “Photo Transfer App…” thanks for the suggestion…and Pitchmeister…I AM in tears, as Apple FORCES me to think the way they think. Windows doesn’t do that. My first Apple Mac SE…now there was a machine that broke the control barrier…but look at where Apple has gone. Back to control…right out of the "C prompt"command language playbook. Well, I’ll try some of the suggestions here and do appreciate all of your help…will let you know if I run the gauntlet successfully…Larry

You manage the audio/video/photos in iTunes on your PC, then plug in the iPad (or connect wirelessly) and sync it to transfer the files, no?

Seems pretty simple.