Do you think that Christianity and Judaism have different “versions” of God?
Heck, you can’t even get agreement within Christianity and Judaism.
Yes as Jews (other than such people as Jews For Jesus) do not believe in the Trinity and that Jesus is the Messiah.
What if God shows up and doesn’t even mention Jesus? He’d be all, like, “Who?”
What do you mean by different versions? Are you saying that the God of Jews. the God of Muslims and the God of Christians are three different entities?
This would make an interesting mural for the tailgate of your truck. You could park beside the14CV88 guy.*
*Not meant to be a slam at Der Trihs, whom I rather respect, but merely that the image immediately struck me as something that would generate some comment in the world at large, generate a discussion of freedom of speech, and juxtapose nicely with that ass with the 9/11 mural. I don’t even know if Der Trihs has a truck.
Man, I wish I still had a truck.
I mean they have the right God in mind but the rest of their theology is wrong.
This is accurate, but the reason I asked is because a lot of people who speak of the Muslim Allah as being a separate entity from the Christian God, do not typically make that same separation between Christianity and Judaism. Islam and Judaism are actually theologically much closer to each other than either is to Christianity.
Cite that it’s wrong? According to both the Hebrew Bible and the Koran, it’s Christian theology that’s not only wrong, but idolotrous.
Seriously, you can’t say what theology is “right or wrong.” You can say that it’s different, you can say which one you believe, but you cn’t expect to assert religious beliefs as facts and expect to be taken seriously.
I am not Der Trihs, and I frequently take him to task for opining or implying that Christians, as a class, are evil or stupid. But I’ll answer anyway.
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DAMN STRAIGHT I WOULD HATE THE FIRE & BRIMSTONE GOD MANY CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN IF HE EXISTED!(x 44)**
That God is a vile, hateful, cowardly, manipulative, petty, lying sumbitch.
Take the Book of Job. God’s on his throne, getting reports from the angels on wht’s happening on Earth; one of those is Satan. God tells Satan to consider his servant Job, who is righteous and pious; Satan responds that Job is only devoted to God because of all the bounty God has given him, and if that is taken away he will curse God, and offers to prove it by persecuting
Now you know what a loving God would do in this situation, Curtis? Exactly what a loving father would do. He would look Satan in the eye and say, “This is Job, my beloved servant. I know everything about him, on account of I’m the guy who made him. Don’tyou even suggest harming him again, in my presence or elsewhere. If you even touch him, I will rip your fucking eyes out.”
But God, of course, is bored, so he tells Satan to have at it, as long as he doesn’t touch Job’s body. So Satan proceeds to murder Job’s kids. Yeah, he takes all the material stuff too, but frankly I don’t give a good goddamn about that crap. HE MURDERS JOB’S KIDS, AND GOD LIFTS NOT A FINGER TO STOP HIM, AS THAT WOULD RUIN THE BET.
That is not the act of a loving father. It is not the act of a righteous king or wise judge. It is the act of a sadistic asshole.
Or take the Exodus narrative. God wants the Israelites freed; Ramses isn’t willing. Now, the expedient thing to do here is just to change Pharaoh’s mind, to soften his heart; this is surely among Yahweh’s bag of tricks, as the story says he hardened the pharoah’s heart when it suited his purpose. Even supposing that God had some ethical objection to that, he could just take out Pharoah. He has command of the natural world, after all. He can give Ramses leprosy or a heart attack or turn him into an animal to force His will. Hell, he can just fling a couple of lightning bolts. It’ll take a maximum of two to get the business done, I think. “Let my people go!” Moses says. Ramses replies, “Bite me, punk,” so Yahweh zaps him into atoms. Moses repeats the threat to the new Pharaoh, who may think it was some sort of freakish coincidence; another zap. Pharaoh 3 will, I guarantee, be more amenable. But of course Yahweh doesn’t do this, because the God of the Book of Exodus is a fucking sadistic bully who gets his rocks off by creating sapient creatures he can then torment. He wants some new torture porn, so he proceeds with the plagues, whose primary effect is, of course, on the Egyptian people rather than the man making the decisions. HE KILLS THE NEWBORN BABIES.
Not even a masochist should willingly worship this asshole. I am fairly certain that God, if he or she exists, is nothing at all like the presentation in most of the Bible. But if he is, then I will say right now: Fuck you! You’re going to send me to hell anyway, so fuck you and your sycophants, Jehovah!
Skald, buddy. Could you delete a few of those exclamation points so you aren’t stetching out the thread so much?
kthxbye
And that’s not even counting MY threads, which are reliably insane. But not as insane as loving the God who slaughtered the Amalekites, down to the babies born yesterday, for something their ancestors did.
You mean the God who ordered Abraham to murder his own son? Tell me how he’s any better than Zeus or Ea. He’s not even as good as Odin, who at least is honest enough to go on walkabout from time to time saying, “Hi! I’m Bolverk, which means Evil-Worker, and I’m here to murder you, rape your daughters, and steal everything you have. Why? Because I’m bigger than you.”
Sorry, I’m past the edit window. I hereby invite the God who approved of Psalm 137 to smite me. I’d ask him to spare my family, but there’s no point to that. My cite, of course, is Psalm 137.
Vive la résistance!
Actually the Abrahamic god needs us humans far more than we need his sorry ass, without our belief in him he would - poof! simply cease to exist! His days are numbered!
By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.
For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.
How shall we sing the LORD’s song in a strange land?
If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.
If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.
Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.
O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.***
For those of us playing along on the home game. Italics, bolding added. Note that Jimmy Cliff left out the last bit.
That’s Psalm 137, not Jeremiah. Though J may have written it.
I would throw myself prostrate before him in terrified worship in an attempt to avoid hell. I would be less terrified if I learned that Charles Manson was God.
Except that wouldn’t work. He abuses his friends as well as his enemies. The God Curtis believes in, or affects to believe in, is like an abusive parent who starves his children, leaves food where they can find it, beats them for eating any, and then punishes them further for crying.