He Hate Me FF keeper league - yr 7

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Now a week past the deadline, I’ve reluctantly given Jimmy’s spot to Jules Andre aka Esoteric Enigma. Like RNATB last year, Jules will simply take over Jimmy’s draft position and eligible keeper list. (Reluctant to lose a player; not reluctant to welcome Jules. Welcome!)

The draft order is now set and offseason trading is now open. As each trade is made I will update the draft order, so go nuts over the next three weeks. As always, if you’re keeping a player in a round and you draft high in that round, be sure to trade down to the end of that round to get some free value.

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Here’s the fantasy trade calculator, plus the resulting draft pick value chart:


1- 1 ( 1): 1889    5- 1 ( 57): 519    9- 1 (113): 111   13- 1 (169): 32
1- 2 ( 2): 1823    5- 2 ( 58): 510    9- 2 (114): 107   13- 2 (170): 31
1- 3 ( 3): 1759    5- 3 ( 59): 500    9- 3 (115): 103   13- 3 (171): 29
1- 4 ( 4): 1699    5- 4 ( 60): 491    9- 4 (116): 100   13- 4 (172): 27
1- 5 ( 5): 1642    5- 5 ( 61): 482    9- 5 (117):  97   13- 5 (173): 25
1- 6 ( 6): 1587    5- 6 ( 62): 473    9- 6 (118):  94   13- 6 (174): 23
1- 7 ( 7): 1535    5- 7 ( 63): 464    9- 7 (119):  91   13- 7 (175): 21
1- 8 ( 8): 1485    5- 8 ( 64): 455    9- 8 (120):  88   13- 8 (176): 20
1- 9 ( 9): 1438    5- 9 ( 65): 446    9- 9 (121):  86   13- 9 (177): 18
1-10 (10): 1393    5-10 ( 66): 437    9-10 (122):  83   13-10 (178): 16
1-11 (11): 1351    5-11 ( 67): 428    9-11 (123):  81   13-11 (179): 14
1-12 (12): 1310    5-12 ( 68): 419    9-12 (124):  79   13-12 (180): 12
1-13 (13): 1272    5-13 ( 69): 410    9-13 (125):  77   13-13 (181): 10
1-14 (14): 1235    5-14 ( 70): 402    9-14 (126):  75   13-14 (182):  9

2- 1 (15): 1200    6- 1 ( 71): 393   10- 1 (127):  73   14- 1 (183):  7
2- 2 (16): 1167    6- 2 ( 72): 384   10- 2 (128):  72   14- 2 (184):  6
2- 3 (17): 1135    6- 3 ( 73): 375   10- 3 (129):  70   14- 3 (185):  4
2- 4 (18): 1105    6- 4 ( 74): 367   10- 4 (130):  69   14- 4 (186):  3
2- 5 (19): 1076    6- 5 ( 75): 358   10- 5 (131):  67   14- 5 (187):  2
2- 6 (20): 1049    6- 6 ( 76): 350   10- 6 (132):  66   14- 6 (188):  1
2- 7 (21): 1023    6- 7 ( 77): 341   10- 7 (133):  65   14- 7 (189):  1
2- 8 (22):  998    6- 8 ( 78): 333   10- 8 (134):  64   14- 8 (190):  1
2- 9 (23):  975    6- 9 ( 79): 325   10- 9 (135):  63   14- 9 (191):  0
2-10 (24):  952    6-10 ( 80): 316   10-10 (136):  62   14-10 (192):  0
2-11 (25):  931    6-11 ( 81): 308   10-11 (137):  61   14-11 (193):  0
2-12 (26):  910    6-12 ( 82): 300   10-12 (138):  61   14-12 (194):  0
2-13 (27):  890    6-13 ( 83): 292   10-13 (139):  60   14-13 (195):  0
2-14 (28):  872    6-14 ( 84): 284   10-14 (140):  59   14-14 (196):  0

3- 1 (29):  853    7- 1 ( 85): 276   11- 1 (141):  59   15- 1 (197):  0
3- 2 (30):  836    7- 2 ( 86): 268   11- 2 (142):  58   15- 2 (198):  0
3- 3 (31):  820    7- 3 ( 87): 261   11- 3 (143):  57   15- 3 (199):  0
3- 4 (32):  804    7- 4 ( 88): 253   11- 4 (144):  57   15- 4 (200):  0
3- 5 (33):  788    7- 5 ( 89): 246   11- 5 (145):  56   15- 5 (201):  0
3- 6 (34):  773    7- 6 ( 90): 239   11- 6 (146):  56   15- 6 (202):  0
3- 7 (35):  759    7- 7 ( 91): 231   11- 7 (147):  55   15- 7 (203):  0
3- 8 (36):  745    7- 8 ( 92): 224   11- 8 (148):  55   15- 8 (204):  0
3- 9 (37):  732    7- 9 ( 93): 217   11- 9 (149):  54   15- 9 (205):  0
3-10 (38):  719    7-10 ( 94): 211   11-10 (150):  53   15-10 (206):  0
3-11 (39):  707    7-11 ( 95): 204   11-11 (151):  53   15-11 (207):  0
3-12 (40):  694    7-12 ( 96): 197   11-12 (152):  52   15-12 (208):  0
3-13 (41):  682    7-13 ( 97): 191   11-13 (153):  52   15-13 (209):  0
3-14 (42):  671    7-14 ( 98): 185   11-14 (154):  51   15-14 (210):  0

4- 1 (43):  660    8- 1 ( 99): 179   12- 1 (155):  50   16- 1 (211):  0
4- 2 (44):  648    8- 2 (100): 173   12- 2 (156):  49   16- 2 (212):  0
4- 3 (45):  638    8- 3 (101): 167   12- 3 (157):  48   16- 3 (213):  0
4- 4 (46):  627    8- 4 (102): 161   12- 4 (158):  47   16- 4 (214):  0
4- 5 (47):  616    8- 5 (103): 156   12- 5 (159):  46   16- 5 (215):  0
4- 6 (48):  606    8- 6 (104): 151   12- 6 (160):  45   16- 6 (216):  0
4- 7 (49):  596    8- 7 (105): 146   12- 7 (161):  44   16- 7 (217):  0
4- 8 (50):  586    8- 8 (106): 141   12- 8 (162):  43   16- 8 (218):  0
4- 9 (51):  576    8- 9 (107): 136   12- 9 (163):  42   16- 9 (219):  0
4-10 (52):  566    8-10 (108): 131   12-10 (164):  40   16-10 (220):  0
4-11 (53):  557    8-11 (109): 127   12-11 (165):  39   16-11 (221):  0
4-12 (54):  547    8-12 (110): 122   12-12 (166):  37   16-12 (222):  0
4-13 (55):  538    8-13 (111): 118   12-13 (167):  36   16-13 (223):  0
4-14 (56):  528    8-14 (112): 114   12-14 (168):  34   16-14 (224):  0
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Thanks! I’ve been wanting to join a stable keeper league for a long time and every league I saw made me think, “yeah, but the SDMB league does it this way, and it’s much better…” so I’m excited to skip the search and be able to join the best keeper league I’ve seen.

I’m really interested to see how trading works differently in a keeper league, especially a long standing one like this. Is there a lot of trading? Is there a trading deadline fever like in the MLB where contenders buy in and teams hopelessly behind sell out hoping to get better keepers for next season?

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There’s not a ton of trading; figure a half dozen to a dozen trades per season. There is a bit of a rush at the deadline, but for the most part you need several days to work out a deal via email so most people try to get there dealing done by mid-to-late August.

NOTE: I do retain veto power, but I’m not looking to rules lawyer anyone. I just make sure the trades involve picks/keepers both parties actually own and there are an equal number of picks on each side. If the trade seems grossly imbalanced to me I’ll check with the owner, but I’m not going to bust anyone’s balls over a slightly imbalanced trade. Nobody here is sandbagging to load up a second account, so fairness isn’t much of a concern. Just logistics.

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As a reminder, everyone currently owns the rights to all eligible keepers in their individual list. You can trade all of them away (or acquire a bunch from other people) without worrying about the 3 keeper limit. Combine picks with keepers to balance out your trade offers. You can also just trade picks for picks straight up, ignoring keepers altogether. Like in Madden.

Once the trading period is over, only then do you declare which three keepers in your final list you want to keep, though you are free to keep nobody if that’s your preference.

If you keep a player in a round where you don’t have a draft pick, you have to spend a better draft pick to keep him. So let’s say you have your default picks and want to keep two keepers in the fifth round. Either spend a fifth and a fourth on the, or even better trade your fourth down to a fifth and get some change back.

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Huh? I thought the 3 keeper limit was concrete. Has something changed?

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Nope, same as it’s always been. The 3 keeper limit doesn’t apply until you actually keep them, which is after the trade deadline.

Think about if you swapped Chad Pennington for Jeff Garcia, and then wanted to keep Chris Johnson, Philip Rivers and Jeff Garcia. Aside from maybe not being the smartest move ever, that strikes you as totally no problem, right? (Which is correct.)

That would be an illegal transaction if the 3 keeper limit applied during the trading period. The act of trading away Pennington would use up a keeper slot – how did you trade him if you didn’t keep him? – leaving you with only two left, meaning you could only keep two players. (EDIT: Actually, you could say Garcia’s original owner spent the keeper slot, so pretend instead of Garcia you traded away Pennington for draft picks. Trading away rights to a keeper doesn’t use up a keeper slot, is all I’m saying.)

It sounds off when I describe it as the 3-keeper limit doesn’t apply for trading, but it ends up being the absolute best system. I was against this system and fought pretty hard to always have the 3-keeper limit in effect, but thankfully guys like Spiritus convinced me I was wrong. This way is much, much better.

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To review the genesis of how our trading works, the discussion goes from post 17 to post 33 in this thread. Spiritus outlined the system we eventually adopted in post 27, and then sealed the deal with post 32.

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One thing I think I inferred from the linked post, but wasn’t clear on, was whether or not keeper status transfers to a new team during a trade.

If I drafted Player A in the 6th round in season one and kept him the year after in the 4th round, he would have one year of eligibility left (hope I at least got this right :slight_smile: )? If I traded him after season two, would the new owner have 3 seasons of eligibility on Player A, or only one?

One more, for clarification. Kept players are tied to their owner’s draft pick, right? So if I drafted Player B in round 7, and elected to keep him in round 5 the next season, I could trade my fifth round pick away, but what would happen to Player B? I gathered from the linked thread that I would have two choices: trade for another 5th round pick, or, keep Player B in the 4th round instead (paying the premium). What happens to him if I don’t do either?

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It does. All players listed in the “eligible keepers” lists can be kept regardless of who owns their rights at the deadline. (But they can only be kept by whomever ends up owning the rights.) That means if you have four excellent keeper prospects, you can trade one away for picks instead of just losing him. (Since you can only keep three players.)

The three year term is tied to the NFL player, not the fantasy owner. So the new owner would only get to keep him once.

Correct, you’d either want to acquire a new pick at the end of round 5, or have to spend a 4th (or 3rd if you have no 4th either) round pick to keep him.

You don’t have to keep anyone. Meaning if you acquire the rights to a keeper through a trade and then later decide to not keep him, it doesn’t have any effect on you. Right now your list of eligible keepers is simply the list of players you are allowed to keep. You can grow or shrink that list however you please during the trading period. Once the trading period ends, whatever players are left on your list, you can keep 0, 1, 2, or 3 of them. You are in no way obligated to keep a player you traded for.

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Thanks for the answers on the earlier questions Ellis, I still feel a little iffy on the last one because I don’t know the timing of everything. I think with the answers you gave, the rest of my questions will be answered as soon as I actually go through a draft and see how it works.

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Offseason trading goes through the end of the month. Once the trading period is officially over, only then do we declare who we actually want to keep. A week after that is the live draft, during which there is no official trading. Obviously I have no authority to prevent people making side deals during the live draft, but I would rather that doesn’t happen because if a problem arises, I would have to arbitrate. And I’ll be busy doing other things during the live draft. So not prohibited, but discouraged.

The official timeline is at the top of the OP, but as stated if people have last minute deals they want to push through I’ll extend the deadlines.

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Welcome to the big leagues, rookie. :wink:

By the way, guys, I’ll be switching my team name to my usual one, Nine Inch Neils - now that I’m no longer the new fish, I can dump Freshman 16.

Ellis, can you add Schaub to Washington on my presumptive keeper list?

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How’s the draft order assigned? 5th place gets first and then work backwards?

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I ignored it; keepers don’t get declared until after the trading period. If you were offline for that entire week I would go with the last thing you posted, but I’m expecting to get a final list from everyone in September.

The top four spots go to the consolation bracket. Winner gets #1 overall, second place gets #2, etc… The remainder of the order is simply the reverse of how everyone finishes, so last place gets #5 and the league winner gets #14.

This prevents people from sandbagging to get the #1 overall pick, and also adds a little juice to the consolation bowl.

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Thanks!

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Putting:
Pittsburgh (DEF-Pit) uses 9th rounder to keep
Kevin Walter (WR-Hou) uses 10th round pick

on the block. Solid values. Looking for best offer, but ideally I would trade them with my 8th rounder for a 6th or some shit. Don’t neglect Walter’s 900 and 8TDs, he was key as my sollid #2 WR last season.

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Similarly, all my eligible keepers…

…are for sale.

Washington is a good value for a 10th-rounder, especially if Thomas Jones realizes he’s 33- and Schaub is excellent value for a 6th-rounder based on NFL.com’s average draft positions.

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I’m posting our league’s defensive settings so that I can link to them in another thread. Nothing to see here.
Defense/Special Teams … League Value

Sack … 1
Interception … 3
Fumble Recovery … 3
Touchdown … 6
Safety … 2
Block Kick … 2
Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns … 6
Points Allowed 0 points … 16
Points Allowed 1-6 points … 12
Points Allowed 7-13 points … 8
Points Allowed 14-20 points … 4
Points Allowed 21-27 points … 0
Points Allowed 28-34 points … -4
Points Allowed 35+ points … -8

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I have a lot of good value in Calvin Johnson (Rd3), Steve Slaton (Rd4) and Matt Ryan (Rd12). I’m probably going to keep them, but certainly don’t want to turn away any potential offers. If someone is interested, my e-mail is in my profile.