Don’t forget the Thornton Affair and the Mexican-American War.
I’m sure there are more. There were several incursions into Central America that were basically to protect American corporate interests, but cast in terms of threats to freedom or democracy. I just don’t know enough about them to cite specifics.
Tell you what, BG. After about your third or fourth rant in the Pit in any given week, just send me the link and I’ll post the rant instead. That will lower your profile with the Jackbooted Servants of Evil™ and still sound the Trumpet of Righteousness™ against Bushco.
This makes me wonder - Is Ron Paul’s gut as reliable as Mike Chertoff’s gut? Or is it more likely that the sight of the Bush admin ramping up the propaganda machine just makes him queasy?
Which is why competent people avoid such schemes. < Looks at Bush White House >
Competent is not the word these guys make me think of. These are the same guys who lied about WMDs and didn’t even bother to fake up evidence, after all.
Alrighty. Fair enough.
Jackson Browne noted the phenomenon a while back:
I’ve been waiting for something to happen
For a week or a month or a year
With the blood in the ink of the headlines
And the sound of the crowd in my ear
You might ask what it takes to remember
When you know that you’ve seen it before
Where a government lies to a people
And a country is drifting to war
And there’s a shadow on the faces
Of the men who send the guns
To the wars that are fought in places
Where their business interest runs
On the radio talk shows and the T.V.
You hear one thing again and again
How the U.S.A. stands for freedom
And we come to the aid of a friend
There's a shadow on the faces
Of the men who fan the flames
Of the wars that are fought in places
Where we can't even say the names
They sell us the President the same way
They sell us our clothes and our cars
They sell us everything from youth to religion
The same time they sell us our wars
I want to know who the men in the shadows are
I want to hear somebody asking them why
They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are
But they're never the ones to fight or to die
Why does Jackson Browne hate America? And those damn Dixie Chicks… The more people listen to their music, the easier it is for Al Quaida to attack. :rolleyes:
I don’t see Bushco deliberately staging an attack. I do see them being so incompetent as to fail to stop an attack, and then somehow spin said attack into a platform for electing more Republicans in 2008. (Kind of like they already did once.)
If The Man can’t bust our music, not much chance Bin Laden can.
(Cue The Clash, Sharif don’t like it, rock in the Casbah…
So start interesting threads such as this one in other fora, and if they happen do be about Bush Co., let the mods transfer them to the pit if necessary.
[Lewis Black] Have the common sense to send a couple of 15 year olds to Kinko’s. I need a picture of a camel with a nuclear weapon on it’s back! [/LB]
I don’t understand the “got Reeder” bit.
According to this search:linkhe’s a ‘Guest’.
Doesn’t that mean that he simply didn’t bother to renew his membership?
Thanx. I thought the word ‘Banned’ should appear under the name, not ‘Guest’.
Oh well, not important enough to worry about.
Wow, ETF. What a poignant reference! Especially these lines:
You might ask what it takes to remember
When you know that you’ve seen it before
Where a government lies to a people
And a country is drifting to warIt’s like deja-vu all over again.
It’s a board [del]bug[/del] feature that posters who are banned sometimes revert to “Guest” status.
Oh, yeh. I happened to have listened to that song a few hours before my post and was struck yet again by how dead-on it was back when it was written, in the Iran-Contra time, and still is now.
I played and pondered that song a lot during the run-up to the Iraq invasion.
A few years ago, tomndebb posted a list of US incursions into other countries in this thread
Passing over the questionable situations of Texas and Hawaii, where citizens of the U.S. immigrated to those regions, then took them away from the original owners and handed them to the U.S., and also passing over the roughly twice as many events as the following list in which U.S. troops were used (legitimately) to defend the U.S. embassy or (illegitimately) to use a show of force to ensure American interests, but where we did not get around to shooting anyone, we still find:
1846 - provoke a war with Mexico in a blatant land grab.
1891 - “Intervene” in Chile
1891 - “Intervene” in Haiti
1894 - “Intervene” in Nicaragua
1895 - “Intervene” in Colombia (Panama)
1896 - “Intervene” in Nicaragua
1898 - provoke war with Spain in a blatant theft of empire (following which we waged a truly bloody suppression of the Philipine independence movement and also killed off a few folks in Cuba who had believed that we came to help them achieve independence)
1912 - “Intervene” in Nicaragua (occupy country until 1933)
1914 - “Intervene” in Dominican Republic
1914 - “Intervene” in Haiti (occupy country until 1934)
1916 - “Intervene” in Dominican Republic (occupy country until 1924)
1917 - “Intervene” in Cuba (occupy country until 1934)
1918 - Invade Russia with intent to decide Revolution victor
1924 - “Intervene” in Panama
1954 - Uses proxy army to overthrow Guatemalan government
1960 - “Intervene” in Vietnam to prop up separatist government in violation of 1954 peace treaty (U.S. hangs around until 1973–you may have heard of it)
1989 - “Intervene” in Panama
2003 - Invade Iraq to establish friendly government(After 1945, the U.S. military was used less, as the CIA organized local fighters to achieve U.S. goals.)
A few years ago, tomndebb posted a list of US incursions into other countries in this thread
Of course, very few of those were staged to deceive the American people, which is what Paul and Sheehan suspect the Bush Admin of plotting.