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How do they get boar bristles?

How exactly are the boar bristles used for hairbrushes harvested? Are they clipped from living boars or does the animal have to be killed first? Are the boars in question also used for food? Leather? Lucky pig-foot charms?
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I've always been curious about this, too...

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http://www.myvitanet.com/fucchiltoot.html

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Natural Bristle brushes actually come from a special breed of boar raised solely for its bristles. The bristles are carefully harvested using a process similar to the methods employed in shearing sheep. The boar are extremely well cared-for; their bristles are harvested repeatedly during their long lifetimes.
http://www.german-hairbrushes.com/pu...r_bristles.htm
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The Boar Bristles are the first cut of the Boar (highest quality), imported from China. (The Boars are raised on farms; China has the World Monopoly in Boar Bristles).
http://www.taunton.com/finehomebuild...ges/h00053.asp
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Most natural-bristle brushes carry the words "Chinese bristle" somewhere on the brush, which means the bristles come from Chinese boars. Natural bristles are either black or white, depending on the color of the animal they came from.
And finally, the most fascinating of all...

http://ia.ita.doc.gov/frn/0007frn/00-725-1.txt
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Issues and Decision Memo for the Administrative Review of
Natural Bristle Paint Brushes and Brush Heads from the
People's Republic of China; February 1, 1998 through
January 31, 1999

Summary: We have analyzed the comments and rebuttals of interested parties in the 1998-1999 administrative review of the antidumping duty order on natural
bristle paint brushes and brush heads (paintbrushes) from the People's
Republic of China (PRC)...
Huh. Tariff fights over paintbrushes. Who knew?

Cool stuff.
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I need to give an educated answer to dispel the inaccuracies already written here. Boar bristles are obtained two ways: In Asia, you get twice as much money for holding a hog down and ripping out his hair in clumps while he screams. The hair is longer this way, and its barbaric. Otherwise, boars are raised to have their hair sheared off, but it's not done with love and roses like one poster replied. They are held down and sheared with sharp shears that, when done too fast and too brutally, will literally shave off their ears and faces. I have seen undercover PETA video of big brutes laughing and shearing off the faces of lambs and boars. Their faces come off in one piece, including the eyes, and the poor animal slowly dies of shock and blood loss. Don't ever kid yourself that anything involving MEN could ever be done with compassion and kid gloves. They don't care and they take out their aggression on animals. Plus, just like at YOUR job, their managers are screaming at them to GO FASTER!!!!! So animals are certainly hurt.

Ducks have all their feathers ripped out in bloody clumps to create down pillows, and the ones not lucky enough to die of shock and blood loss, will live again to have it done another day. Rabbits are stretched and tied by their legs and again, their Cashmere fur is ripped out in clumps.

Leather purses, wallets, shoes and belts? Genuine cowhide? Nope. China is the world's supplier of "Genuine cowhide" except they don't have a cattle industry. They skin 6 million dogs and cats a year. Alive. They also drop dogs into huge massive boiling tanks like lobsters and boil them alive. prior to this they keep them on "Crush Cages". Look it up....

China will do anything to anyone at anytime without so much as a guilt pang. They then falsely label their wares with tags that say "Genuine Cowhide" and it is bought by every country, even designer houses like Ralph Lauren and UGG boots and sold as Genuine Cowhide.

Some of you have already dismissed me, as soon as you heard the word PETA. PETA gets the job done with their undercover videos. If you don't like it, it's because you'd rather pretend theres not a problem.

For your information, I'm not a vegetarian. I eat meat because I believe we are all programmed to eat meat. But with a world full of billions of people, MEN end up abusing animals on factory farms. I instead pay out the arse for humanely certified meat, and I eat way less than I used to before I too was enlightened. And I don't buy ANY other animal products such as leather, boar bristles, down or Cashmere.

Feel free to do searches and look up anything I've said. it's all true. Eat meat if you must, but pay extra so that animals don't suffer. Unless you're from China, of course.
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As far as I'm concerned, PETA is a discredited source for information. If they posted a video telling me cows have four legs, I wouldn't believe it until I'd checked an actual cow.
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Old 08-16-2015, 05:04 PM
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All shaving bristles come from China, I have seen people talk about Euro sourced bristles but no proof. Like most of China's industries, they are unregulated with little to no standards. Badgers, boars, hogs, horses, raccoon dogs, dogs and who knows what else are harvested for brushes. Harvesting, (there is no shaving), is not done humanely, but time is money.
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Don't ever kid yourself that anything involving MEN could ever be done with compassion and kid gloves. They don't care and they take out their aggression on animals. .
Oh, of course. All MEN are sadistic monsters. Thanks for the information.

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Old 08-16-2015, 05:27 PM
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Speaking from experience, I cannot imagine not killing a duck before plucking it. Hard enough to pluck those suckers when they're dead. Down is a byproduct of the butchering process.

The idea of bristle farming is charmingly idyllic. Of course these boars are gently trimmed by WOMEN, wearing pink gloves.

So long, I have to go tend to my dental floss ranch now.

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So long, I have to go tend to my dental floss ranch now.
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Thanks for stopping by. I've wondered about pig bristles for the past eleven years.
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Old 08-16-2015, 11:34 PM
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Cindy,
I'm a man. Are you aware of any cruelty enhanced meat I can purchase?
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I'm a man. Are you aware of any cruelty enhanced meat I can purchase?
I've been looking for foie gras made from geese that have been force fed meat from clubbed seals and baby whales caught in fishing nets.
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Oh, of course. All MEN are sadistic monsters. Thanks for the information.
Nonsense—the overwhelming majority of us are kiddy diddlers. Get your facts straight. We’re fighting ig’nance here.
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If a boar's bristles were to be harvested in a manner consistent with sheep shearing, would they grow back? Even so, would it even be fiscally sound to keep feeding a boar to obtain periodic harvests of bristles? How fast do boar bristles grow? And how much do they cost on the open market?
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Thanks Cindy for the clarification and truth. Compassion and empathy has no place in commercialization. If at all, it is again for commercial interest to tap the white spaces. Greed & Taste knows no compassion and how ironic is the word 'humane..'


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I need to give an educated answer to dispel the inaccuracies already written here. Boar bristles are obtained two ways: In Asia, you get twice as much money for holding a hog down and ripping out his hair in clumps while he screams. The hair is longer this way, and its barbaric. Otherwise, boars are raised to have their hair sheared off, but it's not done with love and roses like one poster replied. They are held down and sheared with sharp shears that, when done too fast and too brutally, will literally shave off their ears and faces. I have seen undercover PETA video of big brutes laughing and shearing off the faces of lambs and boars. Their faces come off in one piece, including the eyes, and the poor animal slowly dies of shock and blood loss. Don't ever kid yourself that anything involving MEN could ever be done with compassion and kid gloves. They don't care and they take out their aggression on animals. Plus, just like at YOUR job, their managers are screaming at them to GO FASTER!!!!! So animals are certainly hurt.

Ducks have all their feathers ripped out in bloody clumps to create down pillows, and the ones not lucky enough to die of shock and blood loss, will live again to have it done another day. Rabbits are stretched and tied by their legs and again, their Cashmere fur is ripped out in clumps.

Leather purses, wallets, shoes and belts? Genuine cowhide? Nope. China is the world's supplier of "Genuine cowhide" except they don't have a cattle industry. They skin 6 million dogs and cats a year. Alive. They also drop dogs into huge massive boiling tanks like lobsters and boil them alive. prior to this they keep them on "Crush Cages". Look it up....

China will do anything to anyone at anytime without so much as a guilt pang. They then falsely label their wares with tags that say "Genuine Cowhide" and it is bought by every country, even designer houses like Ralph Lauren and UGG boots and sold as Genuine Cowhide.

Some of you have already dismissed me, as soon as you heard the word PETA. PETA gets the job done with their undercover videos. If you don't like it, it's because you'd rather pretend theres not a problem.

For your information, I'm not a vegetarian. I eat meat because I believe we are all programmed to eat meat. But with a world full of billions of people, MEN end up abusing animals on factory farms. I instead pay out the arse for humanely certified meat, and I eat way less than I used to before I too was enlightened. And I don't buy ANY other animal products such as leather, boar bristles, down or Cashmere.

Feel free to do searches and look up anything I've said. it's all true. Eat meat if you must, but pay extra so that animals don't suffer. Unless you're from China, of course.
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I have this on a bumper sticker.
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Not the same, but I was interested to find out that fur felt hats are made with rabbit pelts. It's possible you could make them without skinning the rabbit first, but that's not how it is (or was historically) done. Keeping the skin on when they run it through the shaving machine is how they get just the right fur -- not the hard bristly long fur and not the short down fur, but only the fur in the middle, which is best for felting.

I'm pretty sure it's the same with beaver hats, too, but I didn't see that video.
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Don't ever kid yourself that anything involving MEN could ever be done with compassion and kid gloves.
You do know where kid gloves come from, don't you?
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Rabbits are stretched and tied by their legs and again, their Cashmere fur is ripped out in clumps.
Cashmere doesn't come from rabbits.

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Eat meat if you must, but pay extra so that animals don't suffer. Unless you're from China, of course.
Two years later and I'm still annoyed that Chinese people don't have to pay extra for non-suffering meat.
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I think it may be a little late to try MENsplaining anything to Cindy (although to be fair, it was probably always too late).
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Leather purses, wallets, shoes and belts? Genuine cowhide? Nope. China is the world's supplier of "Genuine cowhide" except they don't have a cattle industry. They skin 6 million dogs and cats a year.
Cindy, first of all I respect your position. Mankind (let's drop 'men') harvests enough animals, no need for abject cruelty.

But are you claiming that small sized, thin, dog or cat hide is indistinguishable from cowhide?

And furthermore, China has a huge cattle industry. It has been expanding at over 6% a year for the past 40 years.

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If you can't find the meat you're looking for, perhaps you'd be interested in this cologne...
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Cashmere doesn't come from rabbits.
That is what they would like you to think. Just like no one talks about how naugahyde is harvested.
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And you won't believe how they harvest formaldehyde! Poor little formaldes! [Dr. Strangelove]bred and...slaughtered[/Dr.S]
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My uncle had a ranch, he raised formaldes, naugas, and even jeckylands for their skins.
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Ducks can be plucked relatively painlessly when just about to moult, you'll pay more for certified ethically harvest down, if it cheap you can guess how it was harvested.
Rabbits are skinned butchered for meat.
Dogs are routinely skin alive in Asia, my Asian friends from various countries think its quite amusing, the pelts end up as fur trimming in cheap clothing.
I'm no fan of PETA but there is a lot of truth in Cindy's post.
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Cashmere doesn't come from rabbits.
No, it comes from goats. As does mohair, from the angora goat.

But amusingly enough, angora wool does come from tribblesrabbits
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I need to give an educated answer to dispel the inaccuracies already written here. Boar bristles are obtained two ways: In Asia, you get twice as much money for holding a hog down and ripping out his hair in clumps while he screams. The hair is longer this way, and its barbaric. Otherwise, boars are raised to have their hair sheared off, but it's not done with love and roses like one poster replied. They are held down and sheared with sharp shears that, when done too fast and too brutally, will literally shave off their ears and faces. I have seen undercover PETA video of big brutes laughing and shearing off the faces of lambs and boars. Their faces come off in one piece, including the eyes, and the poor animal slowly dies of shock and blood loss. Don't ever kid yourself that anything involving MEN could ever be done with compassion and kid gloves. They don't care and they take out their aggression on animals. Plus, just like at YOUR job, their managers are screaming at them to GO FASTER!!!!! So animals are certainly hurt.

Ducks have all their feathers ripped out in bloody clumps to create down pillows, and the ones not lucky enough to die of shock and blood loss, will live again to have it done another day. Rabbits are stretched and tied by their legs and again, their Cashmere fur is ripped out in clumps.

Leather purses, wallets, shoes and belts? Genuine cowhide? Nope. China is the world's supplier of "Genuine cowhide" except they don't have a cattle industry. They skin 6 million dogs and cats a year. Alive. They also drop dogs into huge massive boiling tanks like lobsters and boil them alive. prior to this they keep them on "Crush Cages". Look it up....

China will do anything to anyone at anytime without so much as a guilt pang. They then falsely label their wares with tags that say "Genuine Cowhide" and it is bought by every country, even designer houses like Ralph Lauren and UGG boots and sold as Genuine Cowhide.

Some of you have already dismissed me, as soon as you heard the word PETA. PETA gets the job done with their undercover videos. If you don't like it, it's because you'd rather pretend theres not a problem.

For your information, I'm not a vegetarian. I eat meat because I believe we are all programmed to eat meat. But with a world full of billions of people, MEN end up abusing animals on factory farms. I instead pay out the arse for humanely certified meat, and I eat way less than I used to before I too was enlightened. And I don't buy ANY other animal products such as leather, boar bristles, down or Cashmere.

Feel free to do searches and look up anything I've said. it's all true. Eat meat if you must, but pay extra so that animals don't suffer. Unless you're from China, of course.
What's most ignorant is that you keep referring to MEN as the only evil-doers. I'm glad you brought light to the subject matter, but be careful, you're only further another ignorance.
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Cindy, first of all I respect your position. Mankind (let's drop 'men') harvests enough animals, no need for abject cruelty.

But are you claiming that small sized, thin, dog or cat hide is indistinguishable from cowhide?

And furthermore, China has a huge cattle industry. It has been expanding at over 6% a year for the past 40 years.

Dennis
As soon as she said cashmere comes from rabbits and leather comes from dogs, I turned off my 'accuracy meter.'

Dog fur is useful though. Longer haired breeds make for great ruffs in cold weather. It's hydrophobic and the various lengths of fur make it great for It's not wolverine, but it's significantly cheaper and easier to get and dogs are way more overpopulated in their range than wolverines. (Of course, this belies the fact that typically 'dog fur' from China is actually 'raccoon dog' which is a canid species, but a different genus than domestic dogs. The name is due to it looking like a raccoon, but being a canid. It's sometimes called 'Asiatic raccoon' or 'Murmansky.' It's an invasive in Europe and hunted regularly with Finland killing over 100 thousand a year. The Swedish eradication program is kind of neat. Raccoon dogs are monogamous, so they'll capture a male and sterilize it and put a tracker on it. It will roam until it finds a mate and when it stops moving, the Swedes send in a kill team to kill the female. They then release the male to find another mate. They call them 'Judas dogs.' I digress though.)

And of course, skinning animals alive may happen, but it sure as heck isn't an industry practice. If you rip a hide, you cut its value in half or worse. There's no way you want to risk a struggling animal making your knife slip. There's no advantage between alive and just dead, so it makes very little sense to risk your profit for what? Sadism? Companies are amoral, not sadistic. A CO2 chamber is typically the kill method of choice for very obvious reasons. A stressed animal is an animal prone to losing fur or damaging itself and that costs the company money. CO2 is cheap, fast and it preserves the fur.

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I would propose that it's rather useless to compose rational responses to a fly-by poster from 3 years ago who has only that one post, which revived a zombie from 11 years before that.
Heh, I never think to check the dates on these things. I probably need to. This board has more zombie threads than any other that I've ever been on.
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I would propose that it's rather useless to compose rational responses to a fly-by poster from 3 years ago who has only that one post, which revived a zombie from 11 years before that.
I agree. I doubt that cindymecindy is going to respond. I'm going to close this, and anyone who wishes to continue a debate on the subject can open a new thread in Great Debates.

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