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FoieGrasIsEvil · 01-14-2013, 12:34 PM

...why was my thread in MPSIMS about dick sucking closed? Was it the naughty language or nature of the subject matter? When I composed that fine work of art, I did so with tongue firmly planted in cheek, but there was a serious question(s) in there too.

I don't think I used any illegal words, I didn't even tell anyone to fuck a cactus. Should I have put that in a different forum? I thought about putting it into the Pit but I wasn't really pitting anyone.

Can twickster, the mod whom closed the thread, please explain? All she did IIRC was call the thread a "trainwreck". Other posters appeared to be having fun, then the hammer came quickly.

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=678956

Colibri · 01-14-2013, 12:44 PM

Since I reported the thread to be dealt with by the forum mods, I'll begin by asking "Seriously? Did you start posting here yesterday?" That was obviously a trainwreck in the making, as anyone who has been here more than a week would know. You poisoned the well from the beginning. In my opinion, you were lucky not to get a warning for trolling.

In particular I would point to this:

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Is it that you have half the money and all the pussy so you feel you are under no compulsion to do so? You've already "earned your free pass from performing such duties"?

You could possibly have started a thread in IMHO on the subject by using less inflammatory phrasing. Or you could have gone the other way and started one in the Pit. But it clearly wasn't suited to MPSIMS. If you're going to do such a thread, go one way or the other with it and start one in the proper forum.

Ambivalid · 01-14-2013, 12:47 PM

I'd like to hear some responses to the question so I'd like to see a less-inflammatory OP posted somewhere myself. I think (if it's done right) it's a perfectly valid question.

Vinyl Turnip · 01-14-2013, 12:49 PM

Doesn't seem that bad to me, and certainly not worthy of a red-alert lockdown; the "offensive" phrasing is clearly meant to be facetious. But alas, what would I know of such things?

Colibri · 01-14-2013, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ambivalid

I'd like to hear some responses to the question so I'd like to see a less-inflammatory OP posted somewhere myself. I think (if it's done right) it's a perfectly valid question.

As I recall, we've had similar threads in the past. FoieGrasIsEvil just phrased things in an unnecessarily obnoxious way.

MeanOldLady · 12:52 PM

Yeah, despite the punning, Hypnotoad's post summed it up. Legit question, but phrased assholishly enough that it seemed doomed to end poorly. I wouldn't have closed it though, as everything seemed to be going fine at that point. Some jokes, no rule breaking, all civil. I don't operate under the assumption that things will get worse. So long as everyone's good, I'm good. No need for the preemptive strike. This is not a war; it's a message board. If it turns into a disaster, then close it. If not, leave it alone. Easy peasy.

Colibri · 01-14-2013, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinyl Turnip

Doesn't seem that bad to me, and certainly not worthy of a red-alert lockdown; the "offensive" phrasing is clearly meant to be facetious. But alas, what would I know of such things?

Just because it might have been facetious doesn't mean that some posters won't choose to take it literally and pick a fight over it.

Colibri · 01-14-2013, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MeanOldLady

Yeah, despite the punning, Hypnotoad's post summed it up. Legit question, but phrased assholishly enough that it seemed doomed to end poorly. I wouldn't have closed it though, as everything seemed to be going fine at that point. Some jokes, no rule breaking, all civil. I don't operate under the assumption that things will get worse. So long as everyone's good, I'm good. No need for the preemptive strike. This is not a war; it's a message board. If it turns into a disaster, then close it. Easy peasy.

It would be a lot simpler if the OP just went ahead and took the suggestion to open a less offensively phrased thread in the correct forum. Problem solved.

FoieGrasIsEvil · 01-14-2013, 12:55 PM

OK, I will rephrase and try in IMHO. Colibri, no, I've been around long enough to be confused by what is and isn't offensive to mod/board sensibilities, just like everyone else.

Of course the OP was meant to be offensive...but that in and of itself is not a violation of any rules, is it? The bit you parsed is an Eddie Murphy joke reference. It was supposed to be crude, but with an honest question buried therein. And again, I didn't put it into the Pit because I wasn't pitting anyone or anything (at least not directly).

And if you please...what in particular makes a thread not suitable for MPSIMS versus the same thread in IMHO? If I get what you are saying, the way my OP was worded it would only have been suitable for the Pit which is strange because there's plenty of foul language and questionable topics/threads in both of those forums.

FoieGrasIsEvil · 01-14-2013, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinyl Turnip

Doesn't seem that bad to me, and certainly not worthy of a red-alert lockdown; the "offensive" phrasing is clearly meant to be facetious. But alas, what would I know of such things?

Indeed!

FoieGrasIsEvil · 01-14-2013, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Colibri

Just because it might have been facetious doesn't mean that some posters won't choose to take it literally and pick a fight over it.

But why does that necessarily make a topic, obnoxiously worded or not, taboo? People argue with each other all the time around here about all manner of things.

Colibri · 01-14-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FoieGrasIsEvil

Of course the OP was meant to be offensive...but that in and of itself is not a violation of any rules, is it?

If the OP was intended to be offensive, then it was in the wrong forum, so yeah, it was against the rules. And what forum it actually belonged in depended on which was more important to you: getting an answer to your question, or slamming women who don't give blowjobs. So rather than moving it, it would be better for you to decide which kind of thread you want and start a new thread in the right forum.

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Originally Posted by FoieGrasIsEvil

But why does that necessarily make a topic, obnoxiously worded or not, taboo? People argue with each other all the time around here about all manner of things.

As has already been said, the topic itself isn't at all taboo. We've had threads on it before. It was just that your OP was a bit too obnoxiously worded for MPSIMS. (In any case, since you were asking for opinions that wasn't the correct forum for it anyway.) If you want a friendly discussion of the subject, try a less provocative phrasing in IMHO. If you want to criticize women who don't like to give blowjobs, then you can start a thread in the Pit.

twickster · 01-14-2013, 01:35 PM

Colibri has done a fine job of articulating my concerns: It was in the wrong forum and phrased in a way to be as offensive as possible. (As it says in the FAQs: "Sex: The medical approach is OK, the Penthouse approach is not.")

If it's a serious question, try again in IMHO. If it's an attempt to offend people and or bitch about the fact that you're not getting your dick sucked as often as you would like, take it to the Pit.

And if you were just trying to be funny, you failed.

FoieGrasIsEvil · 01-14-2013, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by twickster

Colibri has done a fine job of articulating my concerns: It was in the wrong forum and phrased in a way to be as offensive as possible. (As it says in the FAQs: "Sex: The medical approach is OK, the Penthouse approach is not.")

If it's a serious question, try again in IMHO. If it's an attempt to offend people and or bitch about the fact that you're not getting your dick sucked as often as you would like, take it to the Pit.

And if you were just trying to be funny, you failed.

Yeah, Colibri did a good job clearing that up in his last post(s). I suppose myself (and others, I can't be alone on this) tend to just throw topics of randomness into MPSIMS due to the nature of the forum without necessarily considering the other forums as being a more appropriate place for the topic at hand.

And as for your bit of snark there...you wound be to the inner core.

Ellen Cherry · 01-14-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FoieGrasIsEvil

The bit you parsed is an Eddie Murphy joke reference. It was supposed to be crude, but with an honest question buried therein.

It is my recollection that Richard Pryor is the man who so eloquently stated the aforementioned opinion of women.

colonial · 01-14-2013, 04:51 PM

This board only has one major problem, but it is a big problem, namely,
the vast number of completely and totally moronic HS-JHS caliber threads
having to with sex and bodily functions. Such threads got no reason to live,
none of the goddam things, and it would be nice if a moratorium could be
imposed on sexual, excremental, urinary and menstrual themes as a subject
for OP. SDMB would be a better place for it.

Most intellectually adult boards don't let such utter garbage see the light
of day. I hope administration here does see the light some day and adopts
a policy promoting serious intellectual discourse only, as opposed to the
juvenile trash the OP for this thread is all wadded up about.

Vinyl Turnip · 01-14-2013, 04:56 PM

And I hope they give me plenty of advance notice beforehand so I know not to renew my membership.

colonial · 01-14-2013, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinyl Turnip

And I hope they give me plenty of advance notice beforehand so I know not to renew my membership.

Go for it!

Non-renewal by people who enjoy substandard OP topics would be part of the solution
to eliminating such topics from the board.

Lasciel · 01-14-2013, 05:48 PM

Go clutch your pearls.

I think the "taboo topics" threads are interesting, and I also think society would be a better place if those topics weren't taboo everywhere else. There's too much fuss made over natural bodily functions in this world anyway - everyone shits, you know?

FoieGrasIsEvil · 01-14-2013, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellen Cherry

It is my recollection that Richard Pryor is the man who so eloquently stated the aforementioned opinion of women.

You may be right. Online the quote is also attributed to the move DC Cab.

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Originally Posted by colonial

This board only has one major problem, but it is a big problem, namely,
the vast number of completely and totally moronic HS-JHS caliber threads
having to with sex and bodily functions. Such threads got no reason to live,
none of the goddam things, and it would be nice if a moratorium could be
imposed on sexual, excremental, urinary and menstrual themes as a subject
for OP. SDMB would be a better place for it.

Most intellectually adult boards don't let such utter garbage see the light
of day. I hope administration here does see the light some day and adopts
a policy promoting serious intellectual discourse only, as opposed to the
juvenile trash the OP for this thread is all wadded up about.

colonial · 01-14-2013, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lasciel

Go clutch your pearls.

I think the "taboo topics" threads are interesting, and I also think society would be a better place if those topics weren't taboo everywhere else. There's too much fuss made over natural bodily functions in this world anyway - everyone shits, you know?

Oh.

So society would be a better place if Lasciel could start any conversation he damn pleased with
the question "Which hand you wipe your ass with?" or some other "interesting" "taboo" subject.

Right.

And since I have introduced the metaphor I believe I will suggest that all such OP are the equivalent
of an unwiped ass, and as for the people who post and enjoy them... well, this isn't the pit, is it?-
I'd better stop while I'm ahead.

Bye Byeee.

ExcitedIdiot · 01-14-2013, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by colonial

And since I have introduced the metaphor I believe I will suggest that all such OP are the equivalent
of an unwiped ass, and as for the people who post and enjoy them... well, this isn't the pit, is it?-

What about your moratorium on "excremental" themes? If the great colonial can't avoid poopy humor, what chance do the rest of us have?

Ambivalid · 01-14-2013, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by colonial

Bye Byeee.

No, I gotta know! Which hand?

April R · 01-14-2013, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by colonial

This board only has one major problem, but it is a big problem, namely,
the vast number of completely and totally moronic HS-JHS caliber threads
having to with sex and bodily functions. Such threads got no reason to live,
none of the goddam things, and it would be nice if a moratorium could be
imposed on sexual, excremental, urinary and menstrual themes as a subject
for OP. SDMB would be a better place for it.

Most intellectually adult boards don't let such utter garbage see the light
of day. I hope administration here does see the light some day and adopts
a policy promoting serious intellectual discourse only, as opposed to the
juvenile trash the OP for this thread is all wadded up about.

Was that a poem?

Ethilrist · 01-14-2013, 10:15 PM

No, some people post by copying & pasting from Notepad, and it inserts hard returns at the end of each line, and they let the carriages return where they may.

Do Not Taunt · 01-14-2013, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by colonial

Which hand you wipe your ass with? Right.

Yep, how'd you know?

Fiveroptic · 01-15-2013, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ethilrist

No, some people post by copying & pasting from Notepad, and it inserts hard returns at the end of each line, and they let the carriages return where they may.

Aw.

It was more fun to read as a poem.

cochrane · 01-15-2013, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by colonial

Oh.

So society would be a better place if Lasciel could start any conversation he damn pleased with
the question "Which hand you wipe your ass with?" or some other "interesting" "taboo" subject.

Right.

And since I have introduced the metaphor I believe I will suggest that all such OP are the equivalent
of an unwiped ass, and as for the people who post and enjoy them... well, this isn't the pit, is it?-
I'd better stop while I'm ahead.

Bye Byeee.

Simple solution: If the thread title makes you think you'll be offended, don't click it.

PlainJain · 01-15-2013, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by colonial

This board only has one major problem, but it is a big problem, namely,
the vast number of completely and totally moronic HS-JHS caliber threads
having to with sex and bodily functions. Such threads got no reason to live,
none of the goddam things, and it would be nice if a moratorium could be
imposed on sexual, excremental, urinary and menstrual themes as a subject
for OP. SDMB would be a better place for it.

Most intellectually adult boards don't let such utter garbage see the light
of day. I hope administration here does see the light some day and adopts
a policy promoting serious intellectual discourse only, as opposed to the
juvenile trash the OP for this thread is all wadded up about.

Yeah, Cecil would NEVER write any "juvenile" stuff like that!

Telemark · 01-15-2013, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cochrane

Simple solution: If the thread title makes you think you'll be offended, don't click it.

There are forum descriptions for a reason. The tread would have been OK in the Pit as written, or OK in IMHO with some changes. The OP can simply chose which makes sense and start a new thread. I like that the forum descriptions mean something here and that they're enforced.

Vinyl Turnip · 01-15-2013, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cochrane

Simple solution: If the thread title makes you think you'll be offended, don't click it.

Or to continue the metaphor: don't move aside the large "UNWIPED ASS" sign, kneel and plant your nose squarely into the fudgy brown crack before inhaling deeply.

Becky2844 · 01-15-2013, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by colonial

Oh.

So society would be a better place if Lasciel could start any conversation he damn pleased with
the question "Which hand you wipe your ass with?" or some other "interesting" "taboo" subject.

Right.

And since I have introduced the metaphor I believe I will suggest that all such OP are the equivalent
of an unwiped ass, and as for the people who post and enjoy them... well, this isn't the pit, is it?-
I'd better stop while I'm ahead.

Bye Byeee.

I think your username says it all, as to where you're coming from.

Sparky812 · 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by April R

Was that a poem?

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Originally Posted by Fiveroptic

Aw.

It was more fun to read as a poem.

I read it more like a rap

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[Angry Rap]
This board
only has one major problem....
but it is a big problem,
Namely, the vast number of
completely and
totally moronic
HS-JHS caliber threads
having to with sex and bodily functions...functions... functions... functions[repeat to fade]

[Chorus with background singers]
Such threads ...got no reason to live... ♫ got no reason...got no reason♫
Yeah! Yeah! Hey! Hey!
Such threads ...got no reason to live... ♫ got no reason...got no reason♫
Yeah! Yeah! Hey! Hey!
Such threads... got no reason... ♫ got no reason...got no reason♫
Yeah! Yeah! Hey! Hey!
.....TO LIVE!

[Angry Rap]
None of the goddam things,
and it would be nice if a moratorium could be
imposed on sexual,
excremental,
urinary
and menstrual themes
as a subject for the OP...OP...OP...OP [repeat to fade]

[Chorus with background singers]
Such threads ...got no reason to live... ♫ got no reason...got no reason♫
Yeah! Yeah! Hey! Hey!
Such threads ...got no reason to live... ♫ got no reason...got no reason♫
Yeah! Yeah! Hey! Hey!
Such threads ...got no reason... ♫ got no reason...got no reason♫
Yeah! Yeah! Hey! Hey!
.....TO LIVE!

[Repeat 27 times]
[Stop for spoken word]

SDMB would be a better place for it........WORD!

Ellen Cherry · 01-15-2013, 08:55 AM

Ain't nobody got time for that!

Sparky812 · 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellen Cherry

Ain't nobody got time for that!

Thak you Ellen, you made my morning, but I'm gonna have that tune stuck in my head all day!

April R · 01-15-2013, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PlainJain

Yeah, Cecil would NEVER write any "juvenile" stuff like that!

AHahaha, of course. Not like almost 90% of the Cartoons next to the SD columns don't have naked butts. LOL

BigT · 01-15-2013, 11:13 AM

I do not see how the penthouse concept applies to this, and I do not see how a post that would be acceptable in the Pit can be not acceptable outside the Pit unless it contains the one rule difference in the Pit: that people are allowed to be directly insulted. There's no such insult in this.

It's just crude, in the same way many other posts on this board are crude. And I see nothing in any of the forum descriptions that say that there will not be crude comments made within.

And I agree with MeanOldLady in that I do not understand proactive moderation. It's kinda insulting: "I know someone will eventually start breaking the personal attacks rule, so I must shut down the thread before that happens."

PlainJain · 01-15-2013, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BigT

And I agree with MeanOldLady in that I do not understand proactive moderation. It's kinda insulting: "I know someone will eventually start breaking the personal attacks rule, so I must shut down the thread before that happens."

Big T meet Twix.

Darth Panda · 01-15-2013, 11:43 AM

Can we have a dick sucking sub-forum?

Well, a subforum to discuss it that is...

Ellen Cherry · 01-15-2013, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparky812

Thak you Ellen, you made my morning, but I'm gonna have that tune stuck in my head all day!

I'm glad I made your morning!

FoieGrasIsEvil · 01-15-2013, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparky812

I read it more like a rap

That was really well done Sparky.

Drunky Smurf · 01-15-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by colonial

"Which hand you wipe your ass with?"
Right.

How'd you know? Have you been spying on me?

Seriously one time I hurt my right hand and so I had to use my left. That was weird and a little awkward. You see righty and I have come to an understanding about certain intimate acts which we really didn't see a need to involve lefty with. Until the day came and it was inevitable.

Now we all agree to just pretend it never happened.

cochrane · 01-15-2013, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Telemark

There are forum descriptions for a reason. The tread would have been OK in the Pit as written, or OK in IMHO with some changes. The OP can simply chose which makes sense and start a new thread. I like that the forum descriptions mean something here and that they're enforced.

Yeah, but my comment was more directly towards colonial and others like him who may be offended by threads about sex and bodily functions and are completely against their mere existence. The thread titles are usually descriptive enough that one can tell if it has content that may potentially offend one, thus one can avoid clicking on the title in the first place and not have their delicate sensibilities assaulted. There are some threads I don't care to read, so I don't. Colonial might be a little happier if he did the same.

Doctor Why · 01-15-2013, 09:53 PM

One of the reason I lurk here is because the SDMB was the first site dedicated to intellectual discourse I ran across that wasn't afraid of taboo topics and language. For instance, a lot of posters here bitch about rape month, but I think its nice to be able to see the different points of view. It's certainly better than another forum I frequent where discussions about rape get disappeared.