They’re already ‘working the refs’ when it comes to the economics numbers crunchers and reporters.
If there’s no trade war, what the hell are we giving an extra $12b to farmers for?
No because there’s a difference between selective, measured responses and “pull it out of your ass” trade policies.
I can’t speak for others, but for the record, I’ve never had a problem with the idea that Trump could/should renegotiate bad trade agreements of any stripe, and I’ve sure as hell never argued that he couldn’t become more aggressive with China - actually it’s overdue.
But the manner in which he has chosen to go about this is reckless, and shows a blatant disregard for the potential economic consequences in return. The fact that he’s already resorting to $12 billion in farm aid is already a damning admission on his part: an admission that he has really no fucking clue what he’s gotten himself into.
And Trump’s word is worth…what exactly?
Do you really believe that this is the last we’re ever going to hear about EU trade deficits?
TriPolar,
I meant to reply earlier.
Actually, I think your analysis of the relationship between big ag and farming is pretty cogent, I must admit.
Still, I think we might be overthinking a bit (just my opinion). I suppose that big ag is a factor to some degree, but I think it starts with the solvency of the farmers. Moreover, failed farms impact other sectors of the economy, such banks and ordinary consumers like you and me. Fewer producers equals inflation, which pretty much wipes out that tax cut that the GOP’s been crowing about.
Right back atchya, Septimus.
And thanks as well for another addition to our menagerie of citation sources! Freedom Outpost! Why, the name is fairly drenched in good ol’ American Americanism! Advertising another, the Liberty Press, which, we are assured, is “The CONSERVATIVE alternative to Drudge”…
Do we have a volunteer?
You can’t make me click on that.
If this were facebook that would be a link to an aptly-named group.
How much tax revenue do the tariffs collect?
When trade is grossly imbalanced, tariffs are fair game. Give the market time, expanded businesses or new business can satisfy the demands of the USA consumer or the other consumers abroad.
China does not trade fairly and has been accused of manipulating their own monetary system to gain an unfair advantage.
You can’t judge a tariff in 2 months. My guess is in time there will be some concessions made from nations with the largest trade imbalances with the USA. After all, they depend on us for the exports more so that we depend on them for the products.
Farmers often get political aid regardless of who is President.
Let’s say we didn’t have subsidies, for biofuel, then what, biofuel been researched to death, and yes there is an answer, but it can’t compete with the fuel we are using. In the early 80’s, if I remember right, the numbers said once oil hits $100 a barrel then it would pay to switch. Same with fuel mileage, gas hit 5+ a gallon then people start moving to more fuel efficient cars and trucks.
But as long as people vote for “free” money then you’re right in practice it won’t work.
How much time? 4 months? 6? A year? Or just however long it takes until things support your preferred narrative? :dubious:
For cadets that can’t click and read out of some fear of association!
https://freedomoutpost.com/farmers-to-trump-we-dont-want-handouts-we-want-a-quick-return-to-free-trade/
The article cited a Bloomberg report:
This report pretty much disputes much of the disparagement of farmers on this thread.
PS: I have observed that very few posters to this board know anything about the agri industry and do not care to know as typified by Budget Player Cadet post. Educate thy selves!
Did you ever wonder why that is?
Me knows that it not a political thing!
It is an infrastructure thing!
Price supports are necessary to protect the farming infrastructure from price drops resulting from bumper crops in Uzbekistan or other large agri commodity producing countries.
Thank you, the flock must be elucidated not to partake of American Americanism nor any information that would upset the body politic.
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This is definitely a complicated issue. This relationship between Big Ag and farmers is a marriage made in hell that will keep on creating this economic situation where the farmers and the taxpayers pay the price for corporate profits. I can’t say I know of a solution.but the romantic notion of simple farmers working the soil is just a political fiction.
It is mind boggling the lack of understanding of the agri industry
- Most farms are LLC’s (corporations) consisting of one or more farmer families sharing overhead expenses.
- Families in America enjoy profits (not a bad thing) and is equal to their disposable income after all living expenses are paid. This is true for the farmer as well.
- Farmers are not simple! Do not disparage. It is politically incorrect.
- Speaking in stereotypes does not uncomplicate issue.
Thanks for sharing!
Most of the “disparagement of farmers on this thread” is actually disparagement of the common conservative practice of condemning recipients of government largesse as ‘scroungers’…unless they happen to reliably vote Republican, in which case it’s all good. (See also: “Unions are bad, except for Our Brave Boys in Blue in the police unions”)
We’re educated enough to have seen the “Clearly the reason you’re not taking my hyperpartisan site seriously is because you’re afraid of the facts!” argument many, many times, and it doesn’t become any more compelling upon further repetition. Perhaps you might also consider some self-education.
And you shouldn’t assume that just because we don’t agree with you, we don’t know anything about agribusiness. You’d be surprised what many members of this messageboard know and, indeed, do IRL. Also, you might want to reread Tripolar’s post because your responses don’t necessarily make sense in the context of that post (most notably, you appear to think that Tripolar was promoting the stereotype of the “simple farmer” when s/he specifically said it **wasn’t **real).
- Much like the the common liberal practice condemning farm subsidies in this thread!
- When the claim "educated enough"is made it usually means they are not!
- Most posts are merely rhetoric conveying little information or knowledge of the subject matter.
I would advise to walk a mile in a farmers shoes!
Political action against the farmer will only result in reaping what you sow.
Tariffs were political action against the farmer, so are you predicting Trump’s demise?
I don’t see any useful information in your posts, you are just criticizing what others have written, and apparently without reading their posts.