13 Days in the US: What To Do?

It’s been so long since I started a thread that the appearance of this page startled me. :slight_smile:

Anyway, after managing to book a very cheap flight, I’m heading to the west coast of the United States towards the end of August. Although I’ve wanted to visit to US for some time, I didn’t anticipate going so soon. However, the airline deal was too good to pass up; a work friend and I deliberated for all of five minutes before booking our tickets together.

(How good? Try $A1200 ($US780) return from the west coast of Australia to Los Angeles, with two nights at a swanky Singapore hotel. The full fare is currently about $A2600-$A3600. The Singapore stayover is a great bonus, because I’ll get to visit my rellies there. I’m also quite chuffed at the rise of the Australia dollar vis a vis the US dollar.)

A few questions:

What should I see?

I didn’t plan on hanging out in LA for two weeks, so I’d really appreciate some suggestions on places to visit. Another co-worker has already recommended hiring a car and driving out to the Grand Canyon. She also encouraged us to fly or drive over to Las Vegas for a few nights.

I’d love to go up to San Francisco for at least a couple days. Is it worth the effort?

Suggestions on other sights to see or nearby places to visit are most welcome. I’m not very interested in theme parks or kids’ stuff, but I’m happy to do at least a few cheesy touristy things. At the same time, I’m not afraid to rough it or venture off the beaten track.

Where should I stay?

Looking a few places on the web, nice American hotels seem very cheap compared to Australian ones. I’m prepared to pay for a decent hotel, but I’m not above staying in hostels or backpackers. Is there any place in particular I should try to stay at?

Is there any places or chains or tourist traps I should avoid?

What should I expect?

What’s the weather like in last August? Late summer down here features temperatures over 40 (105 F) so I’m used to the heat; what kind of heat should I expect on the west side of the US?

Is August a peak tourist period or school holidays, or do these fall earlier in the year?

A few people have recommended we book US domestic flights before we leave; is this appreciately cheaper?

Where should I look?

Looking for US-centric information on the web is a bit of a nightmare – there’s too much available! I’d much appreciate if someone could refer me to a site with some decent content.

Thanks in advance! :slight_smile:

The Grand Canyon sounds like a good idea. I live in California, and I’ve never gotten around to going there myself. I’ve heard the north rim is very nice and not as crowded as the south rim. I’ve been thinking of taking a week off and going there sometime, but I’d rather go in the winter.

Las Vegas can be fun. “Disneyland for adults”. You can get great bargains on food and lodging, but remember that Vegas is in the business of seperating people from their money. Decide on how much you want to lose before you go, and then don’t spend more than that gambling. Temperatures in Las Vegas in August should be over 40°C. Probably in the neighbourhood of 105°-110°F.

Disneyland is overrated, expensive, and crowded. Still, you can go just to say that you’ve gone. Take it or leave it.

The weather in So. Cal. in August is generally hot. L.A. is usually in the 90s. The air is usually dry around here, but in August there can be some humidity that makes it less comfortable. (Actually, 50°F and wet is my kind of weather, so most of the time the weather here is uncomfortable for me! :wink: )

You might want to pick up a copy of Let’s Go. They have books for California and Southwest USA. I used Let’s Go: Europe back in '82 and it was very helpful. On the return home I read The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, and Let’s Go really made me appreciate it. :wink: Hmm… I should go to Borders today and get a new copy. I feel like making a road trip as soon as my car is restored.

I’m no California expert, but if you are considering driving from LA to SF, you may want to go to the Hearst Castle, publisher William Randolph Hearst’s 60,000 sq ft house and grounds. I think it is about halfway between LA and SF.

http://www.hearstcastle.org/welcome.asp

I think I’d slip down into Mexico for a day or two myself. Other than that…maybe go to Vegas for a couple of days. You’ll still have 10 days to do lots of other stuff.

What interests you? Roller coasters, mountains, shopping, cheap funky sex :wink: , nightclubs, good food? California’s got practically anything for anyone…

Have a great time!

Thanks for the tips, guys!

Johnny L.A.: the weather sounds perfect. I love the heat. I think I’ll skip Disneyland, but I’m more attracted to Las Vegas by the minute. I’ll be looking at travel books during the week; I’ll see whether the “Let’s Go” series is available here.

t-keela: not knowing much about American geography, I never realised Mexico was so close (in my defense, Australia has no land borders, so I’m not used to neighbouring countries!) Sounds interesting, but I’ll have to see whether time allows for a side-trip.

What interests me? All of the above… minus the roller coasters. :wink:
Bed time now, but I’ll check in again in the morning. Thanks again for the replies.

Regarding hostels in LA, I’ve heard really good things about the Santa Monica HI, although I haven’t stayed there myself. (I don’t particularly recommend the Venice Beach Cotel, where I did stay.) Venice Beach itself is an interesting place to wander around, and I also liked the Getty Center.

From what little I’ve seen of San Francisco, it’s definitely worth a trip, and probably worth more of your time than LA. If you’re going to be driving up that way, I’d suggest stopping in Monterey (beautiful stretch of coastline, great aquarium).

I spent a week in SF a couple of years ago (5 days on business, 3 on my own).

It’s the only west coast city I’ve been to so far, other than a short drive down to Monterey (a very nice place, IMO)
SF was well worth the trip, IMO. Lots to do, great restaurants, scenery, brew pubs.

Off the top of my head:

Things I especially liked:

  1. The trip out to Alcatraz was a must for me and I wasn’t disappointed. The place just felt haunted to me, even with the throngs of tourists. (Reminded me a bit of Port Arthur in that respect, though they are not physically alike)

  2. Chinatown. The shops were selling the greatest tchotkes (sp?) and the whole place was a lot of fun.

  3. The food - so many great restaurants - I can send you my restaurant summary if you’d like.

  4. the weather. In late June it was in the low 60s - perfect for walking up and down all those hills.

  5. Magnolia Brewpub ( http://www.magnoliapub.com/ ) - excellent beers, good food, fun atmosphere.

  6. Muir Woods, a little bit north

  7. In Golden Gate Park, there was a botanical-garden type section where they’d planted plants from different areas of the world - a very cool place to walk around.
    Things I wasn’t especially impressed with:

  8. Fisherman’s Wharf / Pier 39 - I liked looking at the sea lions, but the rest seemed a little to generic for me. I understand it’s become less uniquely SF and more generic in the past 10 years or so. If that’s true, I wish I’d seen it before the generification.

  9. Cable Car ride - we decided to do it once, just for kicks, but the rest of the passengers annoyed the crap out of us, especially the enormous woman who crammed herself into the seat next to me, even though she needed more than twice the room that was available. I had to move because I was being crushed. And the passengers who had obviously never been on any form of public transportation before. For God’s sake people - hang onto something! No, you won’t be able to “surf” in the middle of the car, and having junior hang onto your shirt tail is not sufficient - he’ll fall! Grrr. But that’s a pet peeve of mine anywhere. :smiley: I guess what I really didn’t like was that, as crowded as the cable car was, if you couldn’t see out the window, which most of the time you couldn’t, you might as well be on a regular bus.

HTH

In SF, for the business portion of my trip I was in the Renaissance Parc 55 Hotel. Great location, good service, I was pleased with this hotel.

For the personal portion of my trip I stayed at something less expensive: Hotel Cosmo - which had a different name a few years ago and it looks like they’ve spiffed the place up since I was there. That’s good because while it was an OK hotel in terms of service, the facilities were slightly shabby and in need of new carpets etc. It looks like they’ve given it the atention it needed, and it’s still a reasonable price. I wanted to stay at the Commodore, but they were all booked up for the days I needed.

Just an FYI, but driving from LA to SF takes 5-6 hours, depending on exactly where you are.

If you’re outdoorsy you should check out Yosemite National Park, which is sort of between LA and SF. I’m told, though, that if you want to stay in the Park (camping, etc.) you need to reserve way early, like now.

I think Americans tend to take their vacations any time in July & August – there is not a mass exodus to a select few vacation spots during particular times as in some parts of Europe. National monuments have become very popular in recent years (they always were, but more so I think)

If you plan to fly within the US, you should book as soon as possible for the best fares. Typically bargain flights have a 21- or 28- day advance purchase requirement. Check out Southwest airlines for cheap flights originating in the Southwest region… they specialize in being no-frills transport. Because the US airline industry is a bit depressed right now, there are frequent fare sales as well. Shop around

When in San Fran a couple years ago, we really enjoyed the SF bay cruise that goes out to the Golden Gate Bridge and goes by Alcatraz. We tried to get to Alcatraz, but the tours wre booked until a week later, disappointing. BTW, we were there in August and San Fran is cold most of the time because of the constant wind, I advise you to bring a jacket and wear pants! It was about 50 F, cold to me anyway.

We also loved Muir Woods (redwoods), very photogenic place, but dark and cool even in the heat of the summer.

Hope you enjoy your trip :slight_smile:

I don’t know if you know this but Las Vegas and the Grand Canyon are relatively close to each other. So I’d recommend you hit Vegas mid-week (it’s cheaper for lodging, etc) then head to Zion National Park for some hiking, camping, etc, then down to the Grand Canyon, back for an overnighter in Vegas, then return to L.A. Rather than stay in a hotel near the Grand Canyon, I’d consider staying in Kamas, Utah and drive down to the Canyon (North Rim) for a day. Kamas is an old movie town that’s converting over to tourism. Kinda fun. You could blow 6 or 7 days this way or hit Vegas and the Canyon and only spend 3 or 4 days.

Here’s some links that you may want to check out. A couple of them have maps. :

http://www.desertusa.com/zion/du_znptodo.html

http://www.adventureplanet.com/intro_parks/

http://www.go-utah.com/mapDetailed.cfm?objectID=CB9EA5B1-8A77-11D4-AAE80050DAB32CA6

http://www.travelwest.net/cities/kanab/lodging.html

http://www.thecanyon.com/

Another recommendation for Let’s Go California.* Lots of great tips and info there.

I’ve never been to southern California, but I love SF. It’s a must! If you go to SF, try to take a day trip to Napa/Sonoma wine country. I’m sure there must be bus tours, and rumor has it you can even do it on rented bikes. Even if you’re not a big wine drinker, it’s beautiful country. If you’re into hair-raising turns, drive up Hwy. 1 north on the coast; some great views of the ocean, but watch the road! I’ve driven north from SF to Mendocino a couple of times. And if you’re a nature lover, Yosemite is definitely a do not miss.

I will say from my last trip to SF, though, that Haight-Ashbury (formerly Hippie/Counterculture Central) was a big disappointment. It’s gotten so darn normal! But I love Chinatown.

If you do go to the North Rim, note that it’s higher than the South Rim with different vegatation and generally several degrees cooler. Also, it’s not easy to get from rim to rim, unless you hike all the way down, across, and back up or drive around the canyon, which takes quite a while from what I remember. Not as many people though.

In any case, the distances are big. You’re from Australia, so we probably have similar concepts of what I’m talking about. 60+ miles between towns with nothing in between.

You could easily spend the entire time in California, or you could head to the Pacific Northwest, Nevada, and Utah and Arizona. Any further east to Colorado and New Mexico will take you a long, hard day (at least) of driving, without being able to see much of anything.

Some basic ideas by state (most of which are national parks and such, because to be honest I’m not a big fan of Southern California):

California: Disneyland, of course, and Sea World in San Diego. There’s Sequioa National Park, which is attached to another national park (King’s something, I believe). All the requisite city things, after all, which I’m not going to go into in this brief discussion by state. Yosemite National Park, too, of course, the Sierra Nevadas, and other stuff. Death Valley, perhaps. If you really want to catch a ball game (see what it’s all about and all), you’ve got the San Fransisco Giants, Anaheim Angels, LA Dodgers, San Diego Padres, Oakland A’s, and I think that’s it, although I’m sure there are minor league teams as well.

Heading north, we have Oregon and Washington.
Oregon: Honestly, I’m not quite sure what there is to do in Oregon. Portland’s a nice place and all, but I’m not sure what there really is to say about it that’s touristy. The real action is further north, to Washington.
Washington: Seattle/Tacoma, of course. Seattle, I guess, is a nice enough place, however, as I’ve said before, I’m not a big fan of touring other cities, especially in the US. You’ve got Mt. Rainer and that system (the Cascades?), and Olympia National Park (a temperate rainforest.) Head to Mt. St. Helens, year after year the volcano and surrounding area looks better and better, but you can still see some of the devastation that eruption caused. I’m sure there’s more, this is just what I remember. Catch a Seattle Mariners game if you’re interested; lots of people actually fly from Japan to watch a Mariners game and see Ichiro play.

Heading east, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, Colorado, and New Mexico. Maybe Wyoming too, but that’s a bit of a drive.

Nevada: Vegas and Reno, of course. On the Nevada/Arizona border there is the Hoover Dam, which might be interesting. I’ve seen it, and I must say one hydroelectric dam is much the same as another dam, but it is a pretty early one. There are things to do outside in Nevada, of course, but I’m not quite sure what, other than Great Basin National Park, which I’ve never been to. My only trips in Nevada have basically been to Vegas, and I’ve never been old enough to gamble in any casino, so I’m no help there. It is theoretically possible to see the Nevada Test Site, but I don’t remember how you go about doing it. It’s dang hot in Nevada, but if you’re in Vegas or Reno, you’ll probably be inside doing at least a little gambling anyway.

Utah: In my opinion, Utah isn’t so bad as long as you stay away from Salt Lake City. Of course, if you want to see the Great Salt Lake, you don’t have much of a choice, but I’m not a big fan of Salt Lake. (It must be the heavy Mormon influence that chafes me.) Arches National Park and Zion National Park are the two to go to if you don’t have time to see the others.

Arizona: Arizona has a lot of places. The cities really aren’t all that much to write home about; Phoenix, Tucson, and Flagstaff have expanded too much, in my opinion to maintain their size, but that doesn’t really concern a tourist. Now, it is hot in Arizona. Don’t get me wrong, it’s hot in Nevada too, and parts of Utah, New Mexico, and California, but you might notice it more in Arizona if you spend a lot of time outside. There is the aforementioned Grand Canyon. There’s the Petrified Forest, Lake Mead, Lake Powell, Saguaro National Park (Arizona is the only place you’ll see saguaro cacti, don’t bother looking for any in any other state) , some volcanic craters, the meteor crater, and lots more. Catch an Arizona Diamonbacks game in Phoenix, I believe, if you want.

I’ve probably spent more time in Arizona than in any other state other than New Mexico, and some of the places I’ve seen I would recommend except for your time limit and such. While places like the Hava-Supai Indian Reservation are beautiful, there is often a waiting list, other hoops to jump through, are not easy to get to, and require a fair bit of time. Havasu, for example, required a permit, a hike down into the canyon (though it is possible to take a horse or even a helicopter in and out), some time, an idea of where it was, lots of driving time to get there, and so on.

Anyway, moving on.

Colorado: Denver and Colorado Springs are the two cities to visit. If I were you, I’d stay in Colorado Springs and then drive to Denver for the day. Denver has a pretty good zoo and natural history museum, if you’re into that sort of thing, botanical gardens, shopping, etc. There’s the Garden of the Gods in Colorado Springs, but in my opinion if you’ve seen Arches or Zion, especially, there’s nothing all that special about Garden of the Gods. I wouldn’t bother going to places like Aspen, Vail, etc. unless you really like hiking. They’re not bad places in summer, and cheaper too, but skiing after all is the main attraction. You’ve got part of Dinosaur National Monument in Colorado (the rest is in Utah), Rocky Mountain National Park, Mesa Verde, Great Sand Dunes National Monument (quite impressive, and in the southern part of Colorado), and, well, that’s about it. I know there’s a cave in the Colorado Springs area, but I’m not quite sure what it’s called. Catch a Colorado Rockies game in Denver, if interested.

Wyoming: Honestly, there’s not much to see in Wyoming other than Yellowstone. Wyoming’s not a bad place, it’s just big and spread out. No real cities to go to, and so on.

New Mexico: Now, I’m a little biased having grown up here, so I know the most off the top of my head of what’s here. You’ve got Albuquerque, most of which isn’t all that touristy unless you get here late enough for the State Fair in September or go to Old Town. There’s the Sandias and Manzanos to the east, which are good for hiking and such, and the Sandia Tram is apparently the longest aerial tram in the world, taking you up the west face of the Sandias to the crest of the ridge. Santa Fe is a city with a lot of history, but it’s also really damn expensive and can be a tourist trap, so if you want to see Santa Fe I would suggest staying in Albuquerque and driving to Santa Fe (it’s less than an hour with the new speed limits.) Several Anasazi and other ruins, such as Chaco Canyon and Bandalier National Monument. There’s El Mapais, in case you can’t get enough of basalt lava flow, and White Sands National Monument (sand dunes made entirely out of gypsum) in the southern part of the state. You’ve got Carlsbad Caverns in the southeast corner, where it can be really, really hot. Last time I was there, it was nearly 120 on the surface that week. Roswell, of course, if you are really curious and want to see the UFO Museum (I can’t recommend it, myself), Taos, and so on.

As you can see, you’re going to have to pick and choose. Do you want to see the big cities; San Francisco, LA, San Diego, Vegas, Denver? Do you want to see America’s national parks? You could see a lot of those and never even make if off the West Coast. A bit of each? Do you want to go hiking and maybe even camping for a couple days, or would you prefer to drive around in a car and just get out occassionally at scenic points? Do you want to see historical sites, or modern?

Also, do you want to see Canada and Mexico? If you go to San Diego, think about crossing in Tijuana. Check what the rules are with company you rent a car with; insurance generally doesn’t apply in Mexico, and the border towns can be unpleasant. Crossing into Mexico should be easy, but getting back into the US, if the Tijuana/San Diego crossing is anything like the El Paso/Juarez crossing, expect to spend a fair bit of time. If you make it all the way to Seattle and Washington, think about going into British Columbia. Vancouver is nice (and is used a lot for shooting American television), and Victoria on Vancouver Island is nice as well, and smaller. You can even get a car ferry to Victoria. It’s been a while since I was in either one, so I don’t really remember what all is there.
One other thing to watch out for: altitude. As soon as you start heading west, you’re going to pick up altitude. Most of the American West is at about a mile or more, so take it easy the first couple days and get acclimated if you’re coming from a low point in Australia.

About airline tickets: Booking in advance online is always cheaper than booking later. However, the cheapest flights are generally restricted in changing, can fly at more inconvienent times, and are sometimes limited to certain days of the week. If you must fly, I would suggest Southwest for a start. They’re cheap, good, on-time, have good one-way fares, and fly into several major cities (you will not, however, be able to fly into Colorado).

That’s about all I can think of for now. America is huge, after all.

San Francisco? YES! Do it.

I’d avoid Las Vegas in August (103 in the shade - no, really) but if you must, you must. And if you’re there, you may as well get off The Strip for a couple of hours and visit Red Rocks park. It’s only about 45 minutes away and gorgeous. In the summer, I don’t know.

If I had 2 weeks on the west coast, I’d rent a car and drive up the coast from LA to Seattle and fly back. (Except from SF to Oregon I’d take the 5 and frive through Trinity National Park, see Shasta & the Redwood Forest.) Parts of the Oregon coast are gorgeous and summers there are beautiful.

If you want national parks. Touolumne in central CA is a must, but in August it will be hot and crowded. It can be done, however (I have). If you go here, do the Panoramic Trail. It’s a great hike.

San Francisco? YES! Do it.

I’d avoid Las Vegas in August (103 in the shade - no, really) but if you must, you must. While you’re there, you may as well get off The Strip for a couple of hours and visit Red Rocks park. It’s only about 45 minutes away and gorgeous. Bring lots of water.

If I had 2 weeks on the west coast, I’d rent a car and drive up the coast from LA to Seattle and fly back. (Except from SF to Oregon I’d take the 5 and frive through Trinity National Park, see Shasta & the Redwood Forest.) Parts of the Oregon coast are gorgeous and summers there are beautiful.

LA - Santa Barbara - Cambria/Hearst Castle - Monterey (Monterey Bay Acquarium) - SF & Berkeley - Trinity National Park - Redwoods - Ashland/Oregon Coast - Portland - Seattle (Mt. Ranier, St. Helens & Olympia National Forest - LA

If you want national parks. Touolumne in central CA is a must, but in August it will be hot and crowded. It can be done, however (I have). If you go here, do the Panoramic Trail. It’s a great hike.

sorry for the semi-duplicate posts. sleepy hamsters.

If you do decide to make it to the Grand Canyon, you might want to check out some Anasazi runis. They one I am familiar with are in Mesa Verde, and are on my way from Denver. It’s probably a pretty decent extra drive if you are based in California, but there are probably other ruins you can climb through, and in my opinion they are much cooler than the Canyon. If you do decide to make a pass up Western Colorado, look up the website for Telluride Colorado. They have some damn cool music festivals if your schedule works out. Actually lots of Colorado and Utah towns have some good music festivals.

Wow, thanks for all the detailed tips. Particularly asterion for the altitude thing; my side of Australia is entirely flat, plus I’ve only ever lived on the coast.

It sounds like I’m definitely going to have to visit San Francisco. Re doing the national parks versus the big cities: I think I’ll try to get a good mix in. I’m pretty outdoorsy, but I’m not sure I’ll have to time to get a hiking or camping expedition in (plus, I don’t feel like lugging my hike gear through a combined 17 hours of flying). I’d like to see the natural sights, but at the same time it will be easier to mix with the locals in bigger population centres. Catching a sporting match or some live music sound like great ideas.

Thanks again! This is great stuff.

New Orleans is fun, but it’s a long way from the Left Coast. You can drive there in three days, but if you’re on a time-budget you’d be better off flying. Or save it for another trip to the States.

Weather there in August is a living hell. While 95°F is bearable in the dry west (I used to hang out at a friend’s house in Las Vegas at the end of June when temperatures were about 105°F and it was fairly comfortable), 95°F and 100% humidity is nasty. Still, the beer is cheap. It’s nice to sit in Café du Monde in the morning and feel the breeze coming off of the river while you sip café au lait and munch on beignets and watch the people and listen to the music. Lots of cool graveyards, too (including the nondescript tomb of Marie Laveau).

But again, The Big Easy is probably too far to go on this trip; especially given the recommendations that others have posted.

I bought Let’s Go: California today. There used to be one that coverd California and the western states (California, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Alaska and Hawaii), but it looks as if they’ve gotten more specific.

I also bought Road Trip USA: Cross-Country Adventures on America’s Two-Lane Highways by Jamie Jensen. I’ve only just started going through it, but it’s rather interesting. Since I’d like to go visit a friend in Tennessee when my MGB is restored, I thought it might be fun to go out the old Route 66. Knowing my previous MGB’s propensity for overheating, I’m a little nervous about some of the parts through the desolate and very hot southern deserts; but we’ll see how it goes when the time comes.

This book is divided into 11 sections, detailing routes along the Pacific Coast; Mexico to Canada through Arizona, Necada, Idaho, Montana and British Columbia; the “Road to Nowhere” from the Texas Gulf Coast right up the middle of the country to Alberta(?); up the Mississippi from New Orleans; the Atlantic Coast; coast-to-coast along the Canadian border, the Oregon Trail (sort of like the previous route, but “one state down”); coast-to-coast through the middle of the country; a route through the Southern states; and “The Mother Road”, Route 66. You’d probably be most interested in the first section.

Once upon a time people crossed the country on two-lane roads. In order to attract these travelers’ business, many people set up roadside attractions varying from scenic to tacky. Northern California features such attractions as The Mystery Spot, where “water flows uphill”, and Trees of Mystery, which featuresredwood wonders. I’ve been to both (as a 13-year-old). The former is fun if you don’t take it seriously. The latter, as I recall, was a pleasant walk filled with impressive trees. At the south end of Leggett there is the Drive-Thru Tree. This is a redwood tree with a tunnel bored through its base that wagon-borne travelers drove through more than a century ago.

Road Trip USA is chockful of these little tidbits, attractions and history. You might want to peruse a copy at your local bookseller to see if it’s for you.

There is a recommended-reading list in the back. Included are such gems as On the Road by Jack Keroak, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by Hunter S. Thompson, and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert M. Pirsig; and other travelogues, along with books on roadside America and travel guidebooks.