Well almost certainly not… this webpage is not entirely convincing 
However someone made the stone circles around this area. Anyone got a more reputable source with who made these artifacts and how old they are likely to be?
Unlikely, the fella who did the research is a bit of a fruit-loop who apparently believes the word of another nutjob who believes all kinds of bonkers mad bullcrap.
Sure, but the stone circles are real, they’re visible on Google earth, so I’m assuming some actual archeologists have investigated them
There’s no chance that rubble wall the guy is standing next to is anything but modern. I lost interest after chuckling at that…
Not only is it clearly modern in construction (the stones show clear cleaving planes that would have been weathered away if they’d been standing for thousands of years) but they’d also be at least a few meters underground if they had been in place for 200k years, if not completely dislocated by geologic and wind action.
Also, you wouldn’t use radiocarbon dating to determine the age of a structure more than 60k years old, and you wouldn’t take scrapings off the surface of a rock. So the basic methodology they were going to apply was wrong. Basically, this guy is about as clueless as Dr. Watson in a snowstorm.
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that was my first guess too. Why complicate things?
So I guess even 13th century Bantu ruins are of interest to archeologists, so anyone got any links to studies. I’m trying to debunk this to someone and the current WAG’s aren’t really helping.
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Not only is it clearly modern in construction (the stones show clear cleaving planes that would have been weathered away if they’d been standing for thousands of years) but they’d also be at least a few meters underground if they had been in place for 200k years, if not completely dislocated by geologic and wind action.
“The rocks were covered with a patina that looked very old but there were no items sufficient for carbon-14 dating. It was then that a chance discovery revealed the age of the site,”
It doesn’t say they dated it by carbon-14 dating.
“The exact location of the calendar is listed on www.makomati.com. The first calculations of the age of the calendar were made based on the rise of Orion, a constellation known for its three bright stars forming the “belt” of the mythical hunter.”
It says that this is the way they dated it. Has anyone done the math on this to see if it is bogus?
the page you link says 75,000 years old, pretty important difference.
I think Toto had a song about this- “The Ruins Down in Africa”.
I don’t know enough about it to do the math myself, but it seems suspicious to me. As I understand it, the tilt of the stars they’re talking about is a result of the Earth’s precession, and precession has a cycle of only about 22,000 to 26,000 years. That means Orion should have been in that position 8 or 9 times in 200,000 years.
And this assumes that the three markers are intended to represent Orion’s belt in a particular configuration. The site is pretty minimalist and we don’t seem to know anything about the people who built it.
Yeah; by “modern” I meant brand spanking new, not necessarily modern in terms of construction technique. It’s not weathered; it’s not filled with dirt and vegetation and it hasn’t fallen apart. The notion a wall like that could be thousands of years old is beyond laughable. It’s embarrassing. It’s not even hundreds–much less tens of thousands–of years old. I’m no kind of expert, but you’d have trouble convincing me that particular wall is dozens of years old. I found the posting of that particular photo comical. There may be other parts more impressive but posing beside that particular piece of the “find” and posting it prominently suggests to me that peanut minds which are either over-impressionable, under-educated, or both, are at work here.
Unless they have some sort of business model to make money off the find. I did not read far enough to figure that out.
I heard the guy say they are 200,000 years old on Coast to Coast. That must mean it’s true.
I am still trying to find a better cite but the ruins may be part of the Great Zimbabwe empire that existed between 1100AD and 1450AD, cite. The inhabitants were trading with the Middle East and India and even Chinese artifacts have been found. If they are related then they can’t be more than about a thousand years old.
The biggest problem with archeology in the region is that until recently nobody was interested. The colonisers didn’t care about the history of their colonies and after they left the fighting and civil wars meant that the locals weren’t interested either.
Hell, I have a stone fence that was stacked just 19 years ago, and it has leaf and weed detritus mouldering away in the cracks, moss and lichen growing on it, and little poison ivy vines starting to take hold. Those rocks were stacked maybe 2 years ago at best. Unless there is something in there that they are not saying about refurbishing a section of the fences to see how it looked back then, it is totally bogus.
Ha-ha. I’ve been in that very region recently, and I’ve looked at the google-earth co-ords too. Those are cattle enclosures. The pie-wedge dividing walls in some of them are a dead giveaway. Some of them may well date back tothe Mapangubwe culture(so try one thousand years) which is cool in and of itself, but 200, 000 years? That’s older than the oldest human evidence we have (also South Africa, not that I’m bragging) and oodles more sophisticated, if their cockamamie Orion theories were true (why’s it always Orion with these loons?)
Wait! Did you see that he has a book out tha “deals extensively with the ancient stone ruins, their link to AdamÕs Calendar…”
Don’t you see? Ancient ruins from near the time of the first modern humans, linked to the Adama calender?
It all fits!!
Orion’s belt…really?
Anytime any amateur sees three things lined in row…its a reference to Orion’s Belt!
I guess those three cars in the parking lot are some Osiris cult…
The Stone calendar thingy looks a little interesting - I’d like to know the real story about how scientists view them. But the stone walls, not really. Some look like they might be 1k years old, others were built in the last century or two.
As long as we’re going full batshit here, I’m going to declare that they predate the Earth.
Here was the point of my first post:
These guys say this:
“But dating the site was a problem. The heavy patina on the rock walls suggested the structures were extremely old, but the science of dating patina is just being developed and is still controversial. Carbon-14 dating of such things as burnt wood introduces the possibility that the specimens could be from recent grass fires which are common in the area.” I don’t know enough about that stuff to know if that is true or not. Just saying they said. They state that the link I posted shows the location. The site gives it estimated age according to them.
And then they go into the thing about the constellation being in a certain position, etc. which they offer as their proof. I was simply asking if anyone had done the math on their star claim? I didn’t say I believed or didn’t believe one way or another.