2008 academic job search check in

[Think of it like one of those ‘pregnant doper’ check in threads, except that this process takes longer and is more painful].

So, April’s here. How are things going? Let’s celebrate and commiserate. Hopefully celebrate. Anyone get any good news yet this time 'round through the meat grinder? Perhaps we can award prizes for most applications sent out or the most frequent flier miles scored from interview trips?

I had several phone interviews, a couple of conference interviews, and two campus interviews this time-- better than in years past–but I’m still waiting for the final outcomes,which hopefully should be any day. I’m staring at the phone all the time trying to impel it to ring.

So how’s it with you? Any horror stories?
(I managed to have a flight delayed long enough to miss a connection on the way to a campus, thereby arriving at the airport 6 hours late (midnight) at the airport 45 minutes by car from the college town-- I did at least manage to track down the home phone of the person who was picking me up (search chair) during the long layover. Oy vey.)

I’ve had nothing yet. Not even any rejections. But I bet it won’t be as easy as landing the current job…

I’m on a job search, but it is to get AWAY from academia. I love teaching, but I can really live without all the rest…

50+ applications, too many unsuccessful interviews, nothing in hand. I got narrowly beaten out for the tenure-track job at the school where I’m a VAP, and I’m starting to think that if I can’t make it here, I’m not going to be able to make it anywhere.

Horror story #1: Friday campus interview in a remote part of Michigan, connecting flight in Chicago. Initial flight, on Thursday, cancelled because of weather; I get booked onto an earlier flight, find a film to keep my freshman comp class amused, and drive to the metrotrain station in the middle of an ice storm. Flight leaves four hours late. By the time I get into Chicago, the connecting flight has been cancelled. Airline puts me up in a hotel at the “distressed traveler rate.” (“You sound distressed, all right,” said the search chair when I called him.) I get onto the morning flight to Michigan as a standby passenger and call the search chair again to tell him the news. Turns out that the entire campus is closed because of the weather – can I stay over the weekend and interview on Monday? Sure. What the heck, I’ll treat it as a mini-vacation. Nothing like a long weekend in Michigan in the snow. The department helps me treat it as a mini-vacation, taking me out to several nice restaurants and a rock concert, so I can’t really complain.

I interview on Monday, and everything seems to be going fine until early afternoon, when the chair calls me into his office and points, wordlessly, to the American Airlines web site. My flight is cancelled. Again.

I spend the night in Flint, the nearest city with an airport, frantically e-mailing my freshman comp students to reschedule the next day’s conferences. And after all that? Two months of silence from the department and, finally, a rejection.

Horror story #2: One-hour teaching demo followed by an immediate interview with the department. The entire department. For an hour and a half. By the end of it, I’m exhausted, shaking from low blood sugar, and I desperately need to pee because they gave me a bottle of water before the teaching demo and I, in my nervousness, drank it all. The search chair’s interviewing tactics are, moreover, bizarre. Mostly, they consist of quoting excerpts from my letters of recommendation and asking me to react to them; there is NO gracious way to handle this, and since rec letters are supposed to be confidential, I’m not even sure it’s ethical.

Finally, he asks “One of your recommenders describes you as an ‘intellectual gadfly’; can you please give some examples of exactly how you have been a gadfly?” I veer between hysterical laughter and helpless gibbering for a few minutes, and finally say point blank that I’m really uncomfortable with the question and not sure how to answer it. Bzzt. I haven’t gotten the official rejection letter yet, but I don’t think there’s any doubt that I screwed it up. When I saw one of the committee members at a conference last weekend, he wouldn’t even look me in the eye.

AARGHH. I’m exhausted and demoralized, and I really thought this was going to be my year. Now that I’ve got a couple of publications and a year as full-time faculty under my belt, I think I’ve got to accept that it is my personality and interview skills that are killing me, and not any weakness in my application materials, so the rejections feel worse this time around. (By the way, is anybody else really SICK of being told “Just be yourself”? What if your true self happens to be a socially awkward freak? What then?)

Um, yeah. Thanks for giving me a place to vent. I think I needed one.

I remember those. I really feel for all of you. My last job search was no picnic, but at least if I had a bad interview it only lasted an hour, at most. And I got to pick where I wanted to live.

My worst moment in an academic interview was my very first research presentation in front of the faculty and an audience of students. I hadn’t thought to have some water ready and partway into it I developed one of those devasting dry tickles in the throat that make it impossible to speak. And not one bloody person in the entire room thought to bring me something to drink. I finally had to stop, go out into the hall, and find a drinking fountain on my own.

Then of course there’s the interviews with individual faculty members, from the newest hotshot who probably sees you as competition, to the old should-be-emeritus, who’s still taking up space, but hasn’t published anything in 20 years. All of whom have secret feuds, resentments and loathings you are not privy to.

Good luck to everyone, but do remember to look outside the box, too. There are places you can use your skills that don’t require quite as much sacrifice of your personal life.

Aw, Fretful! You sound like even more of a mess today than I am!
In any case, it’s not entirely you, it’s this shit market. This is my fourth year on the market, if that makes you feel any better. But rant away. Your horror stories are much more horrible than mine.

Oh, a good moment: while at my discipline’s big convention interview meat market, trying to find some people who are supposed to interview me, I run into one of the committee members from the campus I’d visited the week before, apparently also trying to find some people who are supposed to interview him. Like the proverbial Baptists in the liquor store: “Oh, hi. How are you” “I am fine, and you?” “Oh fine. Enjoy the city! Ta!” Not a good sign of departmental contentment there?

Don’t be so hard on yourself.

You teach, which means you have outstanding people skills. Be the ‘you’ that’s in front of a class, where you are not allowed to be awkward or lack confidence.

I hope things work out for you -

I can’t relocate --for several reasons I won’t bother going into–but I did apply for an FT position where I am already teaching PT. The new electronic scan-it-all- and-attach-it process was a PITA.
That’s all I’m going to say for now.

Ah, but I never said that I teach well :slight_smile:

But thanks.

It’s going well for me. I graduate in May with a Sociology degree, and things are looking good.

I’ve turned down one job offer with The Fund for Public Interest Research (an excellent sounding job, but neither the pay nor the hours would have cut it for me). Teach For America is going to be getting in touch with me on April 18th to let me know if they’ll be offering me a job, and I really feel like I nailed that interview. I’m also investigating the possibility of being a Juvenile Probation/Parole II Specialist for the state – I made a 93 on the state Criminal Justice exam, and the cutoff for employment in that particular position is a 90, so I think I could get in alright.

Best of luck to everyone else going through the grinder! Many positive thoughts to the lot.
ETA: Of course, I completely misread the topic. My job search has nothing to do with academia, except that I’m getting out of the student side of it. Oh well, good luck to all of you anyway :stuck_out_tongue:

Oh, Fretfull, please, please, please get a new person to write you a recommendation.

:dubious:

This is not a nice thing to say about an academic. And if the person who wrote it was trying to be funny or cute they were not. The folks I knew who were really on my side sent me drafts of their letters of recommendation before they sent them and asked if I wanted them changed.

Ditto sinjin. If you don’t know who said it, have a face to face chat with your recommenders and ask if they are comfortable giving you a strong recommendation. If they can only make shifty eye contact, don’t list them as a reference anymore.

Any chance the interviewer was just making it up? Not a very ethical interview tactic, but perhaps a possibility.

No, I know for a fact that they weren’t making it up; I also know that in the context of the letter, it was intended as a compliment (the most famous intellectual gadfly was, after all, Socrates, and I’m inclined to think he’s rather good company :)) Trust me, I’m sufficiently familiar with the contents of my letters (I have my ways…) to know there’s nothing damaging in there.

Ok, I guess different strokes for different disciplines. :cool:

Phew…reading this makes me worry. I’ll be doing a “2009 academic job search”, and I don’t know what’s more terrifying - finishing the dissertation or going looking for a job. Probably the job search. Any advice to someone soon to follow in your footsteps?

(P.S. I’m in engineering looking at research universities.)

With a STEM major, you emphasis matters. Find schools that are looking for someone who fits your experience. As a postdoc, you have proven yourself as a researcher. Now the challenge is to find a university where you will provide a good fit with their faculty. Emphasize your ability to bring in money since that is what drives research universities. Did you work on any grants while you were on your way to a PhD? Really stress these areas. Since you most likely will be setting up a research area, where other graduate students will be working under/with you, make sure you pick a University that will attract potential graduate students interested in your area. That is, don’t go to Kansas if you are a geothermal engineer.

I wouldn’t stress it too much. It is a hell of a lot easier on us, then it is on people in the humanities. Plus, I wouldn’t totally rule out teaching universities. They are extremely rewarding. So much so, that it can compensate for the dent they put in your research. Good luck on your dissertation –

Ok, unhappy. The school I thought wanted me did not. My avenues this year appear to be almost completely exhausted. My parachute is black and on fire. Ugh. Year four, and I think I might need to throw in the towel, at least for a while.

Damn, capybara. Just…damn.

I’m on two search committees, so if one of you is applying our way- good luck and we’ll try to get back to you as soon as we can!

Well, I just had a phone interview for a job that I’d really like. I don’t think I did terribly well, since I was coming off of two exhausting two-hour freshman comp classes, but wish me luck.

Still waiting to hear about the results of a campus interview for another job that I’d really like. Arrghh, I think waiting is the worst part of this whole process.