Really? What “great” players were on the 2005 White Sox (Frank Thomas at this point was not “great”)? The '03 Marlins had players that might be considered “great” now (Beckett, Cabrera), but weren’t the heart of that team. The ‘97 Marlins’ top hitter had 23 HRs. The '02 Angels don’t have any great players (please, no Eckstein jokes).
As for taking Stasburg - you have to. You really endanger any sort of goodwill you have with your fans if you don’t. If he pans out and you didn’t take him, you (as GM) will lose your job. If you take him and he doesn’t pan out, you simply point to the mountain of dominance he exhibited in college and say you couldn’t pass that up.
No, with respect, that’s why I said that the team had to educate the fans (and come to think of it, the local media) as to why drafting a pitcher like Strasburg was such a high and unnecessary risk. There wouldn’t be a backlash if that step were taken.
The ‘97 Marlins’ had Sheffield, Bonilla and Alou, who if not great were better than merely good. The 2002 Angels had Garrett Anderson, Tim Salmon and Darrin Erstad, who at the time were properly considered great players. The '03 Marlins had a starting catcher with the nickname of “Pudge” who I’m willing to bet will be in the HOF some day. The '06 Cardinals WS win was pretty fluky too, but any team with with Pujos at first and Edmunds in CF has at least two excellent players certainly. IMHO, YMMV.
I really don’t think that would cut it. It’s bad enough when teams can’t sign a player they draft. As a Royals fan, I was encouraged by an effort last year to start spending some money at the draft, rather than taking the less riskier choices.
As for the “great v. good” debate… I’ll reiterate your previous statement:
Sheffield: Probably HOFer
Bonilla: Adam Dunn is a much better player than Bonilla was, especially in Bonilla’s age 34 year.
Alou: I love Moises Alou. But he is not even close to a “great” player. Very good, but Dunn edges him out as well.
Garrett Anderson: You’re joking, right?
Tim Salmon: You are, aren’t you?
Darrin Erstad: “properly considered great player”? Have you been hanging out with Joe Morgan?
Pudge: Absolute HOF. But in 2003 he finished 23rd in the MVP voting. That’s not a “great” player.
Pujols: Absolute stud. The very reason I didn’t mention that team.
Edmonds: Fourth most overrated player in this decade.
Bobby Bonilla in 1997 - 125 OPS+
Moises Alou in 1997 - 130 OPS+
Adam Dunn in 2008 - 128 OPS+
And surely you don’t think Dunn’s glovework makes him better.
These I won’t really argue with, except for noting that Anderson and Salmon were indeed great in those seasons (127 and 133 OPS+ respectively). Erstad, well, no.
Here you kind of tip your hand. If “great” means great in that season then Bonilla, Salmon, and Erstad must count. If “great” means great career, then Pudge must count. Oh, and if MVP voting is a criteria then note that Anderson was 4th in 2002.
I would love to hear the rest of your list since Edmonds is very nearly a Hall of Famer (although not quite) and never got that kind of acclaim while he played.
Eckstein
zamboniracer’s very own Darin Erstad
Derek Jeter
Busted. However, Dunn has a lifetime OPS+ of 131. By any measure, zamboniracer is off target with his statement. If you can’t win without great players, and you define Dunn as not a great player, then how do any of those players qualify as anything other than good to very good for that season?
And on further review, I’m pulling back my Edmonds comment. He was a fantastic player in his prime, and his prime lasted much longer than humanly possible. It was the post-prime media crush that colored that.
And I’ll admit that my Edmonds love is perhaps colored by being a Cards fan He was pretty ridiculously good for us from 2000 till 2006 and an extremely fun player to watch every day (his 2004 was just unbelievable - that team really should have won the World Series - I blame the Yankees for collapsing).
I still stand by my opinion that you have to draft Strasburg given the chance. It seems every 5 years or so there is a talent that is universally considered heads-and-shoulders above the others in that draft, and those players generally do well. Even if he flames out like Mark Prior he’ll still be more valuable than most players taken in the first round this year.