2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa

Absolutely. It’s not because of luck that Spain has to concede a goal so rarely; when they get more than one, it’s usually helped by a wrong decision in formation. IIRC, they lost against the USA with 2-0 in the Confed Cup with Alonso as their DM; he proved then that he lacks Senna’s abilities to fill this role alone, which is one of the reasons why del Bosque has switched to two defensive midfielders since then*.

I think Busquets has the quality to replicate Senna’s role but this would lead to more changes in the team and the result would be, imo, worse for Germany because del Bosque could then easily add Pedro to the mix which would give Spain the width they now lack so often.

I don’t want a wider Spain because their wings are one of their few relatively weak points and since ours are strong, they are the natural lane of attack. We also have a forward who is strong in the air and therefore an interesting option for a cross into the box.

The Spanish team is well aware of the fact and will shadow Klose closely (ha) whenever he enters their box but if they double him, it will leave space for a penetration move by [del]Müller[/del], sigh, no, by his substitute or Schweinsteiger or Khedira or a shot from somewhere near the box by Podolski, Özil, Schweinsteiger or the not yet known substitution on the right.

More than any other team, the Spanish one lives by the motto: the best defence is offence; and they are perfectly right to do so because every team that opts for a formation and tactic to overpower the Spanish defence will most likely fall prey to their ability to switch from defence to offence in the blink of an eye.

Spain is as good in counter-attacks as Germany, they just had no opportunity to show it yet. I hope, it stays this way.

So, Germany has to solve a conflict of goals and the correct balance is hard to achieve. I’d be favourable to press the back four and the holding midfielders who don’t always act wisely when they don’t get the time to survey the field. But the spaces inbetween our shape would then allow Spain to cut through with their perfect passing. We can’t choose a high defence line to close the gaps because our centre-backs are not fast enough to keep pace with the explosive Spanish offence. The defence teamwork we showed against Argentina is a better option but it will be harder to overrun Spain (but not impossible).

I think our best bet is to rely on our greatest strenght, just like Spain does: they will try to cut us open with their patient passing, we have to use our meshed awareness of space to force them into less than perfect positions.

The choice of Müller’s substitution will tell us a lot how Löw wants to tackle the European champion.

Trochowski has been his substitute before; he is a very good shooter, technically better than Müller and quite fast. But he doesn’t have Müller’s eye for the moment and he tends to keep the ball for too long and rather shoots than passes. In effect: he has a tendency to slow down the game, a counter-attacker he ain’t. Cacau could fill the role too, although he is used to a more central role and will drift in this direction (thereby narrowing our shape in a most unfortunate way). He likes to speed up the game and is very team oriented but due to injuries, he hasn’t trained now for more than a week and his passing and crosses aren’t top-notch.

Toni Kroos is so versatile that he could also play on the right wing although he is used to play either on the left or in an offensive central position in the midfield. He is as aware of developing opportunities as Müller is and his shot and passing are one of the reasons why Bayer Leverkusen was a contender for the title in the Bundesliga for so long.

But a) it’s not really his position, so his deployment would be an experiment – and this isn’t exactly the situation for such a move; b) he is the only player left to substitute Özil, Khedira or Schweinsteiger if something happens to them in the match. You could say that our problems with injuries prior to the Cup and his versatility are the main reasons why he hasn’t played more.

To summarize: Trochowski is a solid choice, he can do the job but if he doesn’t have an exceptional day of miracles and wonders, you won’t see anything exciting done by him. Cacau is the option if Löw wants to add more force to our offence, while Kroos is the answer to improve our chances to outthink the Spanish team.

This is a clash of two great teams and a lot will depend on the form on the day. Spain has an advantage: they play brilliant football on a stable level, pretty much all of their best players are on board, they have gained a kind of confidence in the past three years that maybe no Spanish team had for decades and they know what to do to become champions. They are the favourites. But I doubt that they can afford a mediocre performance, we certainly can’t.

In any event, both teams are worthy finalists; and the winner will be in a precarious situation because they might start to think that they have already won the Cup.

They wouldn’t be the first to fall on their faces because of pride. Uruguay has proven to be incredibly resilient and lucky. And Holland is severly underestimated, imo.

Aside:
There is one Dutch who is apparently bitterly unhappy with the turn of events at the World Cup: Louis van Gaal, the coach of the German club Bayern München. That 11 of his players are still in South Africa for the semi finals instead of enjoying a break is worse than inconvenient, iho. They won’t have enough time to regenerate for the next season and will miss most of the summer training which might lead to another spluttering start and more than one burn out later. I fear he might be right, but, Louis, it’s the World Cup! It’s about the first star for your Dutch players and the fourth for us, not even a triumph in the Champions League is that important.


  • I don’t mean to belittle the performance of the US team in any way; they played fantastic and deserved to win.

I don’t even like soccer and I’m thinking I’ll have to watch this game just so I don’t get all my info from tells in WoW and yells (of rage, joy or despair) in the neighborhood…

And when is he happy? During his run in Barcelona he became rapidly infamous for being great at uniting the team - against him. I think there have been few Místers that were more hated: there are many polemic ones, but very few about whom everybody’s opinion seems to be “hate the guy’s guts”. And it is completely about his attitude, many of the people who still hate him don’t even remember how did he perform.

Oh yes, got my miniature clogs ready to pin on, I’m off out to watch this one at a bar called “Cloggies” - wish me luck! Uruguay deserve a thorough pounding and I’m hoping the Orange will give it to them.

I think at a certain point in life, it’s all about trading vices for each other. :smiley: On that note, if you feel that you have an addictive nature, gambling is not for you. Sports gambling will chew you up and spit you out. I have friends that have been so damaged by gambling that they can no longer watch a sporting event. Luckily, I bet infrequently and enjoy sports without gambling. I only bet on major events, and only if I truly think I have a winner. I don’t always win, but seem to makeout pretty well. Many people bet simply to have “action” on the game. Not good.

Assuming you’re in Europe, your betting channels are going to be different than mine. Hint: look on the front of Real Madrid’s jersey…

My betting channel mostly focuses on American sports. For soccer, the primary way of betting on a single game is on the 90 minutes plus extra time. Any additional time, including PK’s, doesn’t count. You can bet any on any of the 3 outcomes at different prices. For today’s game, Netherlands is currently at -200. If you think Netherlands will win in the 90 minutes, you have to risk $200 to win $100. The draw option is +270 (risk $100 to win $270). Uruguay is +$550.

For elimination games, you can also bet on whoever goes through. Since you can’t have a tie, there are only 2 options: Netherlands - 450 and Uruguay +300.

For tomorrow’s game, I currently see Spain +170, Germany +135 and Draw +225. If you want to bet on Spain to win in regular time, your $1,000 will yield $1,700. The elimination option isn’t available yet for this game.

There are also other bets, like 1st scorer, halftime and 2nd half results, etc…

But that was the last game they played, and against what many believed was the best team in the world. Sure it’s “past”, but it carries far more significance than the Euro 2008 results.

Thanks for the quick lesson and the advice, Jackknifed Juggernaut. If I was to go ahead w/my bet I’d simply go the win/lose route, easy enough to understand and it reminds me of the football quinielas my dad used to let me play when I was a kid. Never got a “pleno” but did win the occasional 11 or 12 lines (13 once), which paid-out enough to keep me in the game. Never thought of it as gambling though, just as a test of my footy knowledge as I devoured “AS” on a daily basis. Heck, still do.

But I think I’ll pass anyway; partly because of your warning but mostly because the infallible Paul The [color=#FFCC66]Physic Octopus[/color] has chosen. And as we all know he has a 100% track record in this WC. :stuck_out_tongue:


Give 'em hell, Bam Boo Gut! I’ll be cheering from my sofa as well!

Probably a wise decision. The only thing worse than watching your favourite team lose in a heartbreaking fashion is to also lose a hefty amount of cash in the bargain!

An exciting tempest in a teapot as Ballack and Lahm come to blows over the captaincy.

Just kidding about the blows. But fucking Germans, man, it’s always about authority, you know? And I can say that because I AM one!

PS-Funny, I’m so uninterested in gambling that I never thought of going to bwin’s (Madrid’s main sponsor) site. Still haven’t.

Thursday’s headline: Paul the Octopus sold to restaurant for inclusion in “seafood salad”.

One hour to Netherlands-Uruguay kickoff. I think this one will be more tense for the Dutch than they might expect.

Yup. I can only imagine.

Yeah well, I’ve got a bit of “good” late-breaking news for you myself: Spain midfielder Cesc Fabregas doubt for Semifinal against Germany :frowning:

Ha! :slight_smile:

Wait, didnt he predict Ghana over Uruguay?

Didn’t read this carefully enough the first time. Out of curiosity, what yield does Netherlands at -450 give? :confused:

ISFAIK, Paul works his 100% oracle magic only for Die Mannschaft. Nationalistic bastard! And now a traitor to boot! (eat?)

I overheard several people on saturday proposing Paella for dinner…

In order to win $100, you have to risk $450. This obviously means that they’re heavily favored. I would suspect that the quality of each goalkeeper plays a big part of this number, since a penalty shootout might determine who goes through.

Uruguay seems like a marvelous bet at +300. Is Netherlands really that much better?

Maybe they’re already setting up the pot for pulpo á galega

I’m sure the difference would be a bit closer if Suarez was playing. Also, bookmakers also take into account the amount of capital that might back a particular city or country. I know in the US, New York teams typically shift betting odds significantly due to amount of dollars coming from New York fans.

I suspect that Holland fans have a bit more money to play with then Uruguay fans.

Contrarian bettors try to use these biases to their advantage.

Fah! Nice try…I have no doubt Fabregas will play. :slight_smile:

I wish Ruud Gullit would STFU already about how the Dutch are such a small country, blah, blah, blah.