21 Dead at Elementary School W of San Antonio, TX {May 24, 2022}

Brave men that saved lives by putting the shooter down.

The killer’s grandmother wasn’t dead at last report. I’m wondering if his grandmother was raising him because of parental problems.

I also heard on either CNN or MSNBC (I was toggling between them) that a number of people were taken to the Uvalde hospital, which is critical access (25 beds and providing only basic services); most of these people were treated and released, or admitted for overnight observation, while more severely injured people were transferred to San Antonio, which does have pediatric intensive care services.

Kurt Russell played Whitman in the 1975 movie The Deadly Tower. For whatever reason I remember watching that movie on TV. Don’t know how much was fictionalized.

All public schools that I know of in California are surrounded by chain link fence (no razor wire on the top), but with open and unguarded gates here and there.

The only school I’ve ever seen that was on what amounted to permanent lockdown was a K-3 school in a quiet middle-class neighborhood in my old town in rural Illinois. It was the school attended by children that age who lived at the domestic violence shelter, and the guard, who I’m pretty sure was armed, was a contracted employee of that shelter.

No, the open elementary school I alluded to is in Fremont, California.

Is it a public school or a private school? Where? (I’m superficially familiar with the Fremont area.)

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I would like to think Robb Elem has a secure main entrance with all exterior doors in lock mode. Yet the gunman was able to “run in to the school”.

None of the area schools here are surrounded by fence, with just the playground area of a some elementary schools fenced in.

The school district I’m familiar with is pretty strict policy regarding visitor access to buildings and having drills but in reality there’s numerous opportunities for anybody to gain access. Exterior Doors left ajar for personnel to come and go, allowing students access before school opens to get in out of the cold or use the bathrooms. then we find those students wandering the halls or playing around, in and out of open classrooms. It’s ridiculous!

And you may have a district that can’t get any funding for upgrades passed by voters and their bonds and mileage renewals keep failing.

Here’s Gov Abbits school safety plan from 2018, seems heavy on Law enforcement.
https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/press/School_Safety_Action_Plan_Summary.docx

School districts around the nation were having great difficulty trying to enact CDC-compliant COVID restrictions. Overcrowded classrooms were unable to provide the “social distancing,” some districts entertained the idea of holding all classes outside, and teachers were COVID police instead of instructors. Old buildings had poor ventilation.

Where in the Hell will the money come from to provide a completely secure perimeter and trained security to screen everyone who wants to enter the school grounds?

~VOW

As I’m sure we all know, information seems to be relatively skimpy relative to the amount of it, and I think I now know why.

As I write this (12:28AM Central time), Uvalde and environs are under a severe thunderstorm warning, and I’m sure authorities wanted to collect as much evidence, especially outdoor evidence, as possible before it was potentially damaged or washed away by storms they knew were probably coming.

I also just heard that the end of the year awards ceremony for the school was this morning. Perhaps he had a sibling or other relative who went there, and thought he’d have (this sounds really awful, but…) extra victims, because he knew parents would be there?

I can’t find exact details on how secure Sandy Hook Elementary was, but I do know that Adam Lanza shot his way through a glass locked security door, so I assume that there was no other unlocked entry.

At this point many Australians I know are at the point of thinking about these things as “just part of US culture, shrug”.

This one caught my eye because there have been a few more than average over the past couple of weeks (or it seems that way) but otherwise I pretty much skim past the mass-shooting-in- the-US stories these days. Which is sad.

I used to say, “That is just an aberration-We really aren’t like that”.
But then I quit lying to myself, and just feel shame.

@Czarcasm just above …

This. So very much this. We have become a sick society creating many sick members in pursuit of many sick goals. It’s a different kind of sick than, say, Russian society, but no less sick for that.

It’s obvious that the Republican Right considers the mass murder of children as “acceptable loses” in their campaign to flood this nation with powerful guns that are completely unregulated and untraceable. Despite the fact that I can list dozens of peaceful democracies that are much older than this nation that have maintained their freedom without a society flooded with guns, the Republican Right has brainwashed their constituency into believing that any sensible regulation of guns is really a secret attempt to take away their freedom. I guess all the regulations and tracking we have of automobiles is a secret plot designed to take away their freedom to drive. Strange that it hasn’t happened yet, is it not?

this morning they showed a picture of a child who had gotten an award. the last picture his mother has of him.

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This morning I read (or heard on Morning Joe) that:

The two teachers killed were using their bodies to protect their students.

All of those killed were in one classroom.