As MAGA as Vance is, how different would those two lists be?
I just brought the scenario up as another way we get a doomsday Trump x 3
Vance has four years to create a power base loyal and beholden to him, that will be dedicated to his version of MAGA.
I agree that your scenario is a way for it to happen; I don’t think it’s a viable one for Trump to take because he would be dependent on someone else acting against their interests.
Assuming for the sake of argument that the majority of voters really WANT a third Trump term, the easy way to do it without mucking about with the Constitution would just be to elect one of his dumbshit family members, who aren’t smart enough to create their own power bases and would reliably just do whatever the cheeto-faced shitgibbon told them to do.
Does anybody think that the people flagrantly violating court orders and core elements of the Constitution are concerned with such rules-lawyering gotcha-yas? I’m still thinking that the man who has this level of cogency at age 79 in 2025 is not going to be able to make the argument. If we’ve learned nothing from the medieval petty kingships that are his model of government (even if he doesn’t know it), it’s that there are always people willing to lie, cheat, steal, and kill in order to get the power that he has. I can’t imagine that his core of sycophants actually like him or want him in power; they just like the access to power they get through him.
I agree BUT how senile will he be in 3.5 years to think all will do his bidding.
Yes because it serves their purpose if SCOTUS says there is an end around for him o become President.
Group dynamics create a wondrous cohesion, I don’t see how somebody would ever invoque the 25th bar coma or the already mentioned disabling shot in the brain. People stay together and sometimes even die together, and it is not necessarily out of loyalty. Here, for instance, is the story of Mussolini’s last three days as told in The Atlantic at the time it happened:
Not only his mistress, but 17 other loyalists stayed by his side until the end. The same happened mutatis mutandis with Reagan, Biden, and will happen with trump too. I think the OP is right: it is very very unlikely that it ever happens, except if the president is obviously a vegetable. A lettuce, for instance.
That is fine if the senate is not Trump toadies, who already long since been told who they would ultimately affirm
Which means he’s also ineligible to be elected Vice President.
Right. Political failure, or for that matter trade policy failure or just being a dick, are not disabilities.
We’ve gone over his in another thread. Proof was shown that that is not true. Congress purposely changed becoming President to elected President.
I think those here who have said that the 25th amendment could only be successfully invoked in the case of a fully incapacitated president are correct.
The big problem is that, in most cases, it is in the self-interest of the cabinet to keep the president propped up to maintain the veneer of a viable administration as well as not to incur the president’s wrath and potential retribution by trying to remove him or her.
To take the current psychopathic and demented president as an example, I’m sure, if faced with the prospect of removal via the 25th, Trump would use every resource at his disposal to prevent it, including the declaration of martial law or otherwise appealing to the military. If the removal failed, everyone involved would be in very hot water.
It’s like the impeachment process: broken from the beginning and not going to work.
And TBF that seems to have been the intent by design — as seen how it provides explicitly for the case that the POTUS is still in shape enough to actually dispute his own relief.
As with impeachment, if removal is too easy, then it can be used as a political weapon, but if it’s too difficult… then it can’t be used at all. It’s hard to see how to get the balance right. Probably another reason why most countries have a parliamentary system instead of what we have.
Some very credible people are speaking out. I don’t believe these 4 books can be easily dismissed.
The Democrats missed an opportunity to field candidates in a national primary. Find a candidate that possibly could have challenged the Republican front runner.
Klain has clarified his earlier comments. He is more supportive of his former boss.