Why is there no outcry to invoke section 4 of the 25th amendment to remove Trump. Trump appears to be off the deep end and attempting to destabilize and over through the nation. It seems it’s long time to invoke this. Why haven’t we heard anything along those lines? I do find it a bit suspicious I have to admit, from what we hear it seems like this needs to be done, but because no one is talking about it it has me question just how off the deep end Trump is as opposed to how he is being portrayed.
Because it requires the VP to be on board, and Pence isn’t on board.
Plus it would require the Senate’s involvement, and that’s a non-starter too. Politically, it’s not going to happen.
It’s been all over social media and bloggers since Trump was inaugurated. Since Pence and the cabinet don’t want to, it’s a non starter.
Had Trump been completely incapacitated when he got Covid and in a comatose state, perhaps they would have if Trump’s likelihood of survival was slim but death not imminent.
Just so we’re on the same page, here’s the text of the amendment.
Section 1
In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.
Section 2
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
Section 3
Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.
Section 4
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
- I find it astonishing that you haven’t heard anything. It has been discussed a lot, and there are threads on the subject on this message board.
- As has been pointed out, the linchpin that makes it possible is the Vice-President, and the Vice-President is Pence. If you have any ideas on how to proceed without his cooperation, I’d love to hear them.
I wonder if there is at least a plan to prevent Trump from unleashing worldwide nuclear destruction, much like there was with Nixon:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/11/donald-trump-nuclear-weapons-richard-nixon-215478
As others have said, you need Pence to utilize the 25th, and that ain’t happenin’.
It’s also easier to remove a President via impeachment than via the 25th. Let’s compare:
House: 25th requires 2/3 vote, impeachment just a majority.
Senate: both require 2/3 vote.
VP/Cabinet: 25th requires their involvement; impeachment doesn’t.
And who wants to remove Trump, anyway? Dems, if anyone. They control the House, which initiates impeachment.
So if something should be done to remove Trump, that ‘something’ is another go at impeachment. If you want Trump removed sooner than January 20, it’s the House you should lean on.
Relax, we’ve only got 28 days, 22 hours and 40 minutes to go. (But who’s counting, right?) We’ll make it.
This.
Also, this:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/08/politics/house-oversight-commission-president-health/index.html
I’ve heard said shes doing that to remove Biden, not Trump.
Even if Pence and the Cabinet agreed, if Trump objects Congress doesn’t even need to vote on it for at least 21 days.
Trump would have to do something far more extreme than anything he’s done so far for Pence, the Cabinet, and Congress to all agree.
One thing I’ve started to realize this cycle, and am just learning to internalize it, is that the Constitution is not magic. The words of the Constitution do not actually compel the powers to do anything they don’t want to do, if enough people let them get away with it.
We the People are the constitution, and it begins to look like a scary portion of We the People are beginning to get tired of the whole thing. The paper itself is almost nothing.
I hope you realize how totally idiotic that is.
You’ve posted a lot about the rumors you hear. You should make the people you hear these from put stipulations on their idiotic conspiracies (i.e. “if I’m wrong about X&Y by June 30, 2022, I’ll delete Facebook”).
Be glad I don’t post some of the things I hear. I know some interesting people. You don’t think Biden could ever be disabled enough to have that happen?
Anyone can - I don’t have any issue with Pelosi beginning the process of refining the process and coming up with a more clearly defined set of criteria for a disable president. But you specifically said “shes doing that to remove Biden”, which is a much different thing.
True. If only it had been done earlier.
You do realize you can’t remove someone as President before they’ve been sworn in, don’t you?
He can hope, can’t he?
By earlier, I meant Trump.
Speaking of the 25th . . . (uh, we were speaking of the 25th, right?) . . .
When Reagan was shot, he was literally unconscious in the hospital. That’s the kind of case that Section 4 is really envisioned for. Did George Bush the Elder become acting president during that time? I seem to recall that Alexander Haig raised some eyebrows when he camped in the Oval Office and claimed to be “in charge”.