So what do we impeach him for?

This is hypothetical. Suppose we’ve got the votes in the senate (the house should be easy), what would/should we impeach Trump for?

He was impeached for his extortion of Zelinskyy. He was impeached for the insurrection he caused. Can we do that again? Or are there rules where you can’t impeach for the same thing twice? I mean the Senate just did not convict.

Maybe the illegal tariffs? His creation of his own ICE army? Stolen documents? The mis-handling of the Epstein files? The destruction of the East Wing? The ridiculous ballroom?

He is a bumbling fool, but that’s more 25th territory.

There’s a lot to choose from. Other ideas? What say you?

If the serial premeditated murders using taxpayer funded hitmen in the Caribbean aren’t impeachable offenses, they should be.

Treason.

He defied Congress by starting a war, without their consent or knowledge. He’s made millions (billions?) of dollars as president to benefit himself and his family which is against the Emoluments Clauses of the US Constitution. I’m not sure if ordering the kidnapping and jailing of a foreign leader is unconstitutional or illegal.

Violating his oath of office. There’d be a massive list under that heading, including starting a war, profiteering, bribery, and much more.

Keep 'em coming. I sort of just want to say - “Well, everything.”

So you can list things under sort of an umbrella heading? That’s one of the reasons for my question.

I think Congress could do anything they want, provided they get majority support (and 2/3rds of the Senate).

I’m sure Trump will try to play the immunity card that SCOTUS gave him. That’s a bit of a wrench in the works.

What’s the legal equivalent of waving your hands around trying to point at everything all at once? That.

But that was for criminal charges, and the last time around, they made a big stink about how impeachment wasn’t a criminal proceeding, but a political one.

If the Senate then impeaches for a crime, does he then go before a judge? Is he then just out of office and NY gets a crack at him?

He CAN but it’s not automatic. The Constitution itself says the impeachment does not prevent any other legal consequence, but itself is limited to removal and, if so decided, disqualification.

He would then have to argue his SCOTUS-ruled “presidential immunity” on the basis that it all happened while acting officially. And the prosecutors WOULD need to have evidence of an actual statuted offense to charge. Not just “we the Senators think it’s pretty damn obvious you are guilty.”

They should just go for a violation of our “don’t be a jerk” rule.

“We charge Donald J. Trump with high crimes and misdemeanors, to wit:” waves hands around “Pretty much everything he has done since he took office, at this point it would be quicker to list the things he did that were not high crimes and misdemeanors”.

Not really. If the senate is at the point where there are enough senators to convict him and remove him from office, presumably those same senators would be willing to convict and remove from office any of those SCOTUS justices that stick their necks out for Trump. They could be impeached for the crime of aiding and abetting whatever the original charges against Trump are, and convicted by the same senators that convicted Trump.

Alas, that’s only a dream. It would basically take Democrats winning every single seat during the midterms.

ETA: I do like the suggestion that the primary charge be violating his oath of office, with all the various things he’s done in that regard being included.

Seems like, trump’s main tool for keeping everybody in line was the fear of being primaried. Does that still hold true?

Maybe for a small group of senators, like John Cornyn. But at this point I think most of the Republican senators have drank the Koolaid and have become true believers.

OK, good point. We need to get rid of every MAGA in government if this country is going to survive.

Hardly. The USA has often had a nutcase minority operating in the House, etc. As long as the MAGA or “tea party” or whatever is a minority within a minority, they are there for entertainment value, and are harmless.