Can they really be this stupid?
Ohio had an open primary and thousands of Republicans crossed over to vote for Hillary, who proceeded to win the state.
No. NoNoNoNoNo.
They did it because McCain would have a much easier time defeating Hillary.
Quit deluding yourselves.
So much of the fawning press praise of her is just bizarre. They gloat, for example, that she won the “big states” and that that somehow means something in the general election. Well, the vast majority of voters in those “big states” were Democrats who will vote Democratic in the general anyway, for the most part. She whined that the refs were unfair, and so they’ve taken to appeasing her. The American media are such pussies these days.
I’m not a Hillary supporter, but if she manages to take the Democratic convention and then goes on to become president, I’m going to have a big Nelson Muntz-style “ha, ha” at all the Republicans who crossed over to vote for her in the hopes that it would lead to a McCain win.
That, or the nation’s breadbasket just isn’t ready for a black President.
Gaming the system like that is a form of civic blasphemy, it mocks the openness of democracy. In a democracy, a vote should reflect a sincerity, not a strategy. Pretending to be what one is not for the sake of political advantage defiles the principles of democracy. Which is to say, it ensuckens dead donkey balls.
I believe that’s Federalist No. 6.
I’m with MsWhatsit. One of the only things that will help me vote for Hillary is the knowledge that if she wins Rush Limbaugh may go back on the drugs.
I reiterate what I heard Tuesday: CNN reported that 9 percent of the Democratic primary voters in Ohio were Republicans, and by a narrow margin, they prefered Obama. Some were gaming the system, but if those stats are correct, most of them were not.
I suspect the writers of the article wrote that second paragraph based on what interviwees told them. Some of them voted because they think Hillary is more likely to lose, I’m sure, but there you go.
In fact, Republicans have voted for Obama in every primary they were allowed to, according to he exit polls.
Given that he’s done pretty well in virtually every state so far, even where he hasn’t won, I’d argue that nearly everyone is ready for a black president, but some people don’t think Obama should be the first one, for whatever reason.
And isn’t Illinois kind of part of the breadbasket region?
From the Cincinnati Enquirer news story you linked: “The irony is that they are Republicans.”
If this is a Republican strategy, I guess I don’t understand why you’re upset with the Dems.
Also, Ohio won’t go black.
You’re saying they’ll go back?
Because of this:
Ah, thanks. It’s just hard for me to believe any Dem in Ohio actually believes that. My Repub friends and relatives are so disenchanted with Stinkyshoes McCain that they to a man did the same thing. They need to be convinced/appeased before the election. Bada bing, bada boom.
That’s true, except where it mattered in the so-called key states. The nominations should be done by now, Clinton should be back in her lair canning roasted babies or whatever. I think, earnestly, that once the shades are pulled on the booth, people aren’t as comfortable with Obama as they say they are, and I think it’s racially driven. IMO of course, but there ya go.
Yeah, we are, but I’m referring directly to the more southern latitudes, less urban/suburban areas.
It doesn’t do anything to the “principles of democracy”. The principles of democracy apply to the general election, not to primaries. If you set up your system of candidate selection so that the opposition can mess with it, that’s your fault, not theirs.
That’s a funny thing to say about the man who’s winning.
The entire notion that a significant number of republicans obeyed the bidding of their talk radio overlords is crazy, IMHO. There is no proof that this happened, it sounds like the opposite was true.
If talk radio had any effect on the behavior of non-insane republicans, Romney would be the nominee.
If I was a Republican trying to ratfuck the Democrats, I wouldn’t hesistate to tell the exit pollers I was a Democrat.
In a democracy, we shouldn’t have our political choices limited by nogovernmental ‘parties’. If some candidates want to have an agreement not to run in exchange for a more popular person, that’s their business. But the method they choose to determine who gets to run isn’t democratic.
Didn’t Madison says that faction was an enemy of good governance?
No kidding. CNN was even spinning Obama “only” winning 7 of Wyoming’s 12 delegates as a continuation of Hillary’s momentum. 
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