668 Pull tabs

Hi Cecil,

Your answer that saving pull tabs is a waste is incorrect. The Shriners in Massachusetts collect tabs which are sold as scrap providing a fair amount of money to help pay for transportation of patients in the two local hospitals. Sure it takes some effort, but many schools, churches and other groups help collect tabs. I wonder if there is a reasonable way for a national collection to be done with the help of someone like you? The tabs are collected in a $.05 can return state, as the lack of a tab does not bother the redemption value - a way to have your cake and eat it too.

Welcome to the Straight Dope Message Boards, agessn, we’re glad to have you with us.

When you start a thread, it’s helpful to other readers if you provide a link to the column you’re talking about. Saves searching time, and keeps us on the same page. In this case, I assume, it’s: Will saving pull tabs earn free kidney dialysis for needy patients? - The Straight Dope

No biggie, you’ll know for next time, and, as I say, welcome!

In terms of your comment, please note that this is a “classic” column from 1992, which has not been updated. Perhaps it should be. Cecil does say that the urban legend was some widespread, that some organizations used it. However, I think it remains true that the cost of the stamp to mail in a handful of tab tops is more than the recycle value. So Cecil’s point is still valid, I think.

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That answer was from 1992, so maybe it needs updating. I know pull tabs definitely do have value now - not as scrap, but some charities are collecting them and sending them off to developing countries, where craft workshop enterprises upcycle them into various chainmail-esque bags and fashion jewellery items, which have retail value.

I’m not sure why you think Cecil is incorrect. He (correctly) points out that some places do collect tabs for fundraising, although not for providing kidney dialysis as the original question asked, and they get the regular aluminum rate, not some special tab-only rate.

His point is simply that anyone collecting pull tabs would be better to collect cans, and recycle the whole thing. Since aluminum pricing is done by weight, they’d make more money with a whole can than with just a tab.

But he does underestimate two things, I think: storage space and mess. Many recycling centers won’t take crushed cans, at least around here (people put pebbles into the can and then crush it to try to cheat the weight), so if you’re collecting cans for a fundraiser, that’s a whole lot of space to store them until you can get them to the recycling center.

Tabs have the benefit of not being so hollow. A denser bit of aluminum won’t get you as much money as a whole can, but it’s a lot easier to store 100,000 pull tabs during your drive than it is to store 10,000 cans.

Cans also have the unfortunate trait of dribbling their contents, meaning you’ve got to get people to rinse them or to transport drippy cans, which most people are unwilling to do. Tabs string nicely and neatly on a shoelace without getting your car upholstry all sticky!

So if you’d like to mail your tabs to a good cause, here’s the Shriner’s hospital I believe you’re talking about: http://www.springfieldshrinersblog.com/2011/02/aluminum-tab-collection-project-teaches-the-values-of-philanthropy-recycling/

I’ll have to check if our local Shriner’s is doing the same.

And if my quick search of aluminum scrap rates is accurate, those 100,000 tabs will net your charity all of $50. That’s a lot of work for very few cakes. I guess that might earn the Shriner’s a tank or two of gas, but if people doing the donating are driving to the hospital to drop them off they’re probably burning as much as they’re earning.

And mailing them? You’re going to pay several dollars to ship one pound (over 1000) of tabs. The charity will get all of $0.40 - $0.50. Just cut them a check for the postage you would have paid.

Pop tab collecting has got to be up there in the least efficient donation methods category. I’d be surprised if walking around looking for dropped change didn’t have a better return than all the time spent dealing with the tabs.

I once took a big bag of aluminium cans to an automatic recycling bin that spits out coins for cans. I forget the amount of cash I received – it was only a few cents – and I decided it wasn’t worth the effort. Now all my cans go in the general trash where they belong. Let some future generation mine our landfills if they want them that badly.

Sometimes recycling sucks.

Here’s the opposing view.

I must admit to finding this thread a bit confusing. I haven’t seen a pull-tab in over 25 years.

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We’re not talking about the pull-off tab, but the pull tab on modern can of soda.

I got $13 the last time I took some bags of Al cans to the recyclers. I drive by them all the time and it hardly took any effort. If I put them out in the recycling, then my county makes money off them. So if I was lazy I could do that.

(It’s glass that’s the biggest loser in recycling.)

Just a counterpoint.

OTOH: The tabs? Why just the tabs? Good grief. Just recycle the whole can. Especially in a deposit state.

Also called the flip top or flip tab now by many.

And saving that little part to cash in for next to nothing while throwing the can away is idiotic. You can fill a mail truck full of aluminum cans and take them to Michigan and get 15 cents a can for them.

People keep saying this. It’s not necessarily true.

Cecil’s next to last sentence on the importance of doing good has the ring of an inscription Mark Twain used in the first volume (of 30 he autographed) of his works for Winston Churchill:
‘To do good is noble; to teach others to do good is nobler, and no trouble.’

Not really relevant to this thread, but I was in transit four years ago in Dubai. The British Airways club lounge still had cans with the old-fashioned pull tabs. I believe the Middle East still has them today.

I was coming to the forum to point out exactly that detail. I think it explains the logic of collecting pull tabs : cans have a cost for the collectors, not so with pull tabs.

The reason you would be able to redeem cans without a tab and not have your refund affected is because the tab has nearly no value when sold for scrap. A tab is worth four one hundredths of a cent. If that sounds worth it to you, why don’t you clip all the coupons for products you’d never buy and redeem them for their 1/100 of a cent cash value and send that money to charity?

I don’t collect pull tabs and I did mean to imply that they are of any worth to me. I was just trying to underline the logic according to which some charitable entities might have come to encourage people to collect them.

Let me explain it another way : charity asks people to send in whole cans, people start collecting them but they find that it quickly becomes bulky, smelly, leaky, etc. At some point a collector looks at the huge bag of cans he have been collecting for weeks or months and takes a minute to evaluate its dollar worth. He might very well tell himself : the hell with this, I’ll recycle these smelly cans and eventually send the charity some money instead, it makes more sense. I’m sure you can see how the “sending the money instead” part might get forgotten about pretty quickly - by that time, the charity has become an equal competitor to all other fund-raising charities.

If, on the contrary, the charity asks people to collect tabs, our charitable collector might put them into an easily manageable pot or bin for months and months before eventually sending them away to the charity.

Of course, tabs are worth less than whole cans, but the fact that they are much easier to manage and cost free for the collector might lead more people to actually collect them and send them in, resulting in more aluminium, overall, for the charity.

Put in even simpler words : requesting whole cans will quickly becomes assimilated with a request for money, but a complicated one.

As for the postage or gas cost of sending in the pull tabs, it might not make economic sense in a global way, but since these costs are paid by the collector, it has no impact on the charity. What’s important to the charity is to maintain the willingness of the collector and, of course, the actual volume of aluminum collected in a year.

More global economic sense does not result in more money for the charity. Not by a long shot. Hence the circumvoluted funding strategy. No?

A clearer example of what you’re describing is bottle tops. Plastic bottles are already widely recycled, but not their plastic tops - the ones made from HDPE have a small scrap value. Some charities collect these as they’re easy for people to put aside, and doing so does not compete with any existing recycling arrangments.

What’s important to the charity isn’t how much aluminum they can get their hands on but how much money they can get from people. So when determining how effecting tab collecting is from the charity’s perspective, I don’t believe it should be compared to can collecting but to other money-making schemes. I have no experience in fundraising. But in my mind, thinking about spending time on putting together a campaign, I can’t see how I’d net more money asking people for tabs than spending the same effort asking for a one-time $5 gift. Or putting up boxes in fast-food restaurants for people to dump their change into. Or, really, anything else.

The rewards are so small, it’s hard to see it being worth anyone’s time.

True, but obviously the people at Shriner’s (and other places which do collect tabs as fundraisers) have crunched the numbers and disagree with your assessment.