OK, I’ll take you through the thinking step by step. I know this whole cognitive process is not for the faint hearted, and may frighten at first.
You claim there never were any attacks, it’s all the government.
Said government hypnotise the whole of NYC to make them believe they saw planes (seriously. You’re an idiot.).
They then topple the towers to make the American public really really angry, so they can move in on Iraq.
During the fake investigation-slash-cover up, they unearth the identities of the hijackers of the planes that didn’t exist. In other words, their own, preassigned patsies.
These patsies come from Saudi Arabia.
Is there something that doesn’t fit ? See if you can spot it in one. I admit, I helped you there. By underlining what doesn’t fit.
i’m really done with this thread personally, like I said, I do not understand physics enough to contribute here,
but…
one more thing.
i doubt it. i’m sure the best minds in this particular field earn their paychecks in hollywood. and if they got even one definitive pixel wrong it would all be over. way too risky to use anything computer generated and attempt to pass it off as real.
will this change in the next five years or so??
probably
it does remind me of a close friend’s parents (who were gun-toting conservative types) who said that the Fahrenheit 911 scene of Bush in the classroom looking like a scared moron when he learned of the attacks - was - yes- computer generated. I mean, now in 2009, we are at the point where maybe there are photoshop fakes out there that are good enough that the forgery could possibly go undected by the internet public, but if Michael Moore created a 10 minute short film that was computer generated, and did it so well that many people beleived it to be real,
well then he really would deserve an oscar
Let’s assume for a minute that it really is an actor, playing Ben Laden, to pin the conspiracy on him. It’s a great idea, right ? He’s known for not really liking the US, and threatening to blow shit up.
Except all the *real *Ben Laden has to do to fuck up your little masterplan is send a tape of his own, to any news agency in the world (or does the shadow conspiracy control every single bit of news, everywhere ? Even Al Jazeera ?), saying “nope, wasn’t me. It’s an actor etc… (underlining the same shit that makes you believe it’s not really him)”. And then your whole conspiracy is blown to shit.
What’s that ? Why would he do that instead of going along with it and taking the cred ? Why, maybe to fuck with the American people and make it justifiably afraid of its own government, which would be more effective than a few diss tapes ?
Maybe he’s in on it too :eek: ! Is he in the same secret retreat buried under area 51 as the allegedly dead passengers of the airplanes that didn’t exist ?!
@jesse : you mean, more risky than a huge conspiracy involving thousand of investigators, secret agents, secret bomb planters and all the extravagant crap necessary to pull a controlled demolition cum plane crash ?
(hell, they wouldn’t even need to CGI anything. Just film a nondescript strip of highway, or a parking lot or whatever, and fly a real plane over it. Film it through grainy, lowdef securicams, and who’s gonna know ? Every single man who had his footage taken away from him will think “this ain’t mine, probably some other dude’s”. Case closed.)
Has anyone ripped Webster Griffin Tarpley a new arsehole yet? This doesn’t seem to be the type of man to get taken in by foolishness. Or is he believed to have an ulterior motive, like selling books?
First, they are compared prepared statement videos with locations chosen for lighting with the equivalent of a home movie.
They then go on to declare:
Looks on target to me.
These idiots declare Osama’s health to be ‘good’ on the basis of what exactly? I can guess: Osama looks a tad chubby and well fed in the videos. But that is an artifact of the video type more than anything else.
Because again, this was not a prepared video statement. It was just someone shooting video at ‘home’.
This is just beyond idiotic. Anyone who has worked with the microphone built into a camera knows its limitations with regards to ambient noise and acoustics. If they had thought for a single PICOSECOND about this they might have noticed that OBL is using a handheld microphone in the other videos. Gee, wonder why he would do that?
This is quite a bit of idiocy you have latched your wagon to.
I also did have suspicions when the tape came out, but the evidence here and in other places has convinced me that there is no good reason now to think that the tape was not real.
Although I do prefer to point at a cite before calling something bullshit, **Bryan Ekers **was right, these latest points from the conspiracy theorists are bullshit. (This goes also for all their points so far in this thread.)
Does that include me? You do realise the OCT is also a “conspiracy theory”, don’t you? Albeit one endorsed by the mainstream media. Has anyone on here read Tarpley’s book to decide if there is enough ‘wrongness’ in it to discount the whole?
McCarthy had better evidence of Communists than the 9/11 people have of a giant conspiracy. McCarthy, in fact, had confessions; and there were Communists and sympathizers.
But the strategy is the same: ask questions. Never answer questions, just use endless questions to create doubt. Insinuate that the truth is undiscovered but take no steps toward establishing any. Loudly demand the “truth” but never make any statements that can be denied.
Reef shark and jessesheeran, this is Great Debates. This is not Great Insinuations.
Declare a position. Own that position. Defend that position.
Provide facts to support your position. Link to reliable unbiased sources that support your facts.
Do not appeal to authority, appeal to doubt, or make ad hominem attacks against Bush or his administration. Prove that there was a conspiracy. Don’t attempt to prove that Bush was evil or stupid enough that there could have been a conspiracy; that proves nothing.
You’ll be surprised how well this board can handle the truth, presented in a rational way. There are some extremely intelligent professional people here, and some gifted amateur thinkers as well. If your argument has any merit it will stand on its own. If not, not.
I was not talking about the book, but replying to the points on the Osama and gas station tapes and the October surprise that the conspiracy minded poster mentioned.
Mention an specific point form Tarpley’s book that was not bullshit and then we can see if your pathetic last retort was even valid.
GIGO, what makes you think I was contesting that? A simple way to determine the veracity of that video, is to ask if any of the other people appearing are affiliated with OBL. If nobody recognises any of these accomplices, there may be a case.
I haven’t even read Tarpley’s book; that’s how much of a truther I am. I was hoping more intelligent people here might have read it, and be able to rip it apart methodically. I doubt if you are up to the task, with your pathetic resorts to insulting behaviour.