Which is a harmless diversion, and which kills children? Sort it out and get back to me. States rights has been a cover for enough horrendous shit already.
Pot isn’t states rights anyway. It’s about everybody vs Jefferson Beauregard Sessions.
We have sovereign citizens, far right wing extremists and neo Nazis. Many of them want to kill someone -anyone. We have mass killings by the aforementioned, who had easy access to guns. They are killing people who had nothing to do with anything. We have a “leadership” that was bought and paid for by the “gun lobby”, and so they won’t DO anything. AND the gun nuts threaten to start killing MORE people and overthrowing the country if they don’t get their fucking toys.
The time for civility is over.
crickets
Actually, one can.
It depends on how significant a principle one thinks ‘states rights’ is, whether one is pro or con. If it’s way down there in the range where whims are more important, then yes you can, and it’s completely logical. 
Just because states’ rights as a principle is a BFD to some people, doesn’t mean it’s a BFD to everyone else. I simply don’t recognize your hierarchy of values that puts states’ rights in a high place. Most of us have a considerable number of other principles that rank well above states’ rights.
If only us liberals would learn to be as civil as conservatives are, we could finally have that wonderful discussion where we’d solve everything!
Those of us who see it as the historical rationalization of regionalized legal slavery and oppression do not consider it a principle in itself at all. Nor do those of us who’ve actually read the Supremacy Clause in the Constitution.
According to an ever growing number of newly galvanized young people, your “prayers” are worthless bullshit. Instead, DO SOMETHING.
It’s harder to get a driver’s license or even a fishing license than it is to get a gun. The NRA, which is simply a front organization for the Arms Dealers of America, doesn’t want any training requirements, and they don’t want background checks. The CDC is not allowed to research the situation as a health concern for Americans, and law enforcement cannot computerize their records on guns. You can go to a gun show and, no matter what your age, buy any weapon there without any background check or paperwork.
That’s the “best effort” we can muster to stop the slaughter of our children? Like I say, save your prayers.
Yes, and so is Moneyboy.
Exactly. And according to the prophet Isaiah, the Lord said something rather similar once upon a time:
Thoughts and prayers are fine once you’ve done what you can do, or if you’re not in a position to do anything. But ‘thoughts and prayers’ from our lawmakers in particular, who are charged with promoting the general welfare - which surely involves doing something about people being mowed down like grass by random nutjobs - there is blood on their hands. I sincerely doubt that the Lord wants to hear their thoughts and prayers. He wants them to cease to do evil and learn to do right, pursue justice and champion the oppressed.
For real this thread is like a merry go round.
As for when would it be appropiate to do gun talk, I say 2 to 3 days later.
I think is easier to just do gun talk for browny points because how constant they are and because well some of us aren’t working with the government of course
Prayers can’t stop bullets.
Furthermore, I’m tired of the hypocrites sending their thoughts and prayers to victims while receiving ridiculous campaign contributions from the NRA to make sure that such shootings continue unabated without any action:
Thoughts and prayers may make YOU feel better, but it shows an actual callous disregard for the victims if it is not combined with political action to make sure that nothing like this ever happens again. This is the ONLY country that has this problem. I am SICK of people saying that we should have no reaction to the tragedy. That we should do nothing. That the problem is unsolvable. And so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because people don’t do anything except make it easier to buy more guns without restriction.
Feel free to send your thoughts and prayers. But if you want a clear conscience, ACT. Make sure the politicians STOP taking money from the NRA to do NOTHING to solve this problem. Make sure that real substantial action is taken. Don’t be a hypocrite. ACT!
Thoughts and prayers.
Is that what the NRA sends to “our” politicians?
Yes. Along with large denominations of US currency, endorsed and backed by god, to ensure prompt delivery.
I know which party gets my thoughts and prayers, and which gets my vote.
Also here is more I got to say
America is a much larger country than any European nation ever. And we have a lot of wilderness, open space, and many different types of populations. This is why, for instance, it is almost impossible for anyone to buy a legal gun in NY City. Probably because proximity and population make guns more dangerous in an inner city such as the Big Apple.
America is a nation that is 40 times the size of Great Britain, and has not only a Federal Constitution, but 50 different state constitutions. People, government, laws, and logistics are different here. Americans have been heavily armed with all kinds of heavy duty, hardcore weapons for almost 250 years. It is only in the recent decades we have had serious, widespread problems like the one in Florida. So categorically assuming its the guns themselves that are the problem is myopic.
The fact remains that the fundamental cultural differences between America and the other western nations are (a) Americans have an irrational fear/distrust of their own government and (b) desire for, familiarity with, and protectiveness of, guns. These are obviously obstacles to changing gun laws. My contention is that they are the ONLY obstacles to changing gun laws, and that there is nothing sacred or immutable about them.
…is it just me or does this look like it was written by a completely different person?
What game are you playing at Luciano700?
I am not playing a game lol. Is just I am more used to formal writing in longer sentences because of essays.
Sometimes he cuts and pastes; sometimes he bangs it out on the keyboard with his thumbs.
Lol k