A bit of a religeous question....confused??

This is something I do spend time thinking about, and until now, the best word I’ve come up with is “mixed feelings”. But I thank Chaim, because “bemusement” really fits it perfectly.

The weird thing about this particular instance of Jewish-Christian cooperation is that the ultimate goal will define itself. There are no - and connot be any - ulterior motives here. The Crusades, the medieval debates, and all other forms of anti-Semitism, were short-term contests to see how many Jewish bodies, minds, and souls might be won by the Church. But this one is long-term: It will not end until God Himself steps in, at which point I am confident that we will all be winners.

According to Isaac Asimov in Asimov’s Guide to the Bible the most likely explanation for the various dietary laws was to set the Israelites apart from the Babylonians during the exile. That way they wouldn’t be assimilated into the general population.

During the captivity in Babylonia the idea that Jaweh was the one true God, and the only one, was gaining currency among Israelite thinkers. The Israelites knew that their fellow countrymen who previously had been captured and taken to Assyria had simply vanished (the “lost tribes”) by assimilation. They didn’t want that to happen because then the idea of the one true God would be lost.

If this is correct, it worked to perfection. The “Jaweh alone” faction succeeded and when the captivity was over and they returned to Israel, Jaweh was the sole object of worship and has remained so.

This is fascinating…I’ve learned more in two days than 12 years in school.

May I pose another question ( And I really do NOT mean to offend anybody - if you met me you would know this is true!) ?

Why do so many people of differing religions dislike the Jews? Maybe dislike is too strong a word for it - ‘have something against’ would be more appropriate…

It seems churlish to me - I’dunno, maybe I am an idealist and believe in a peaceful World, but it seems to me that the Jews have been persecuted since time began. Why? Have they done something so utterly detestable that God Himself is punishing them? Or is God protecting them until the return of the Messiah?

Also, the Israeli / Palestinian situation, that cannot be about a piece of land only ( mind you- I do understand it means an awful lot to both parties ) but how much of the violence now is merely a tit for tat retalionatory effect?

Once again, I know how touchy the subject of religion is and wish no offence by my questions**

Regards,
Mazza

My B.A. was in history, so I’ll have a go at the origins of anti-Semitism.[list=1]
[li]Exclusivity - During the period of Roman control of the Middle East, the Jews were a people apart, as they would not assimilate as most other conquered peoples did. The Romans were quite good at adding gods to their pantheon, and the idea of Emperors as deities was also on the rise. The Jewish insistence on maintaining their own religion, not worshipping the Emperor, etc., put them at odds with the religious and political authorities.[/li][li]Rejection of Christianity - To earlier currents of anti-Semitism a new religious element was added after the conversion of the Empire under Constantine, as the Jews were seen as having rejected the Messiah. At the most extreme, this included blaming the Jewish people as a whole for the death of Christ, a view which has ever since been an ugly undercurrent in Christianity.[/li][li]Scapegoats - During the Middle Ages, Jews were often segregated from the gentile population; it was during this period that the ghettos came into being in many European cities. This “alien” presence provided a handy population to be blamed for anything that went wrong, such as the Black Death (“The Jews poisoned the wells!”)[/li][li]Money - Up until the Rennaisance, the loaning of money at interest was considered to be the sin of usury. However, when a prince needed to raise money for a war, crusade, whatever, having a place to go for a loan was quite advantageous. The Jews, not being under Church law, could loan money at interest, and so many of the first banking houses were formed. But, when the loan came due the Prince might find it useful to stoke the fires of anti-Semitism, expel the Jews, and avoid paying the loan back.[/li][li]Race - [/li][/list=1]There are many other historical factors that have led to anti-Semitism over the centuries, but I believe these are the most important.

Oops, submitted by accident before I finished my last point:

Race - The racial makeup of most European nations was relatively homogeneous (at least compared to the last couple of centuries) for most of the last 2,000 years. The Jewish population, despite some level of intermarriage with the surrounding population, maintained a largely separate identity and appearance. This perception of difference is one of the root causes of any racism, whether it be anti-Semitism, white racism towards blacks in the U.S., or Asian attitudes towards “round-eyed devils.”

JohnM has provided some good stuff, but I would modify it a bit to say that the primary reason is his first point (which I would further modify to say “refusal to asssimilate”). The remaining points are all derived from the first.

Jews know who their God is and they are not going to either surrender him to some other imposed god or allow him to be watered down by letting him “join” someone else’s pantheon.

As you note in your question, the antipathy to the Jews is not merely a Christian problem. Jews have been oppressed by Greeks, Romans, Persians, and Arabs, to name a few, for their adherence to their God.

Since Christianity has had the longest run at oppressing the Jewish people, there are more examples of that oppression (and more excuses offered by Christians for that oppression), but it has not been an exclusively Christian practice. Roman emperors and Zoroastrian priests each tried to stamp out Judaism in their times.

Regarding JohnM’s specific points:
-Rejection of Christianity follows on the refusal of the Jewish people to change their covenant with God.
-Scapegoating has generally been a political tactic aimed at the Jews because they were convenient, not an actual belief arising spontaneously from the people.
-Money (from moneylending) was an unfortunate accident that played into the hands of scapegoaters.

Both Christians and Jews followed the prohibition against charging “usage” for money within their own religious group. So Jews could lend to Christians with interest and Christians could loan to Jews with interest, but neither group could charge interest within the group. Since there were far more Christians than Jews, the loaned money seemed to go one way and the interest charged seemed to go the other. When any king or bishop needed to absolve themselves of a debt, trumping up charges to blame on the Jews (and then confiscating their property) was a convenient method to do it.

Eventually, the scapegoating took on a generational aspect among the Christians. The Zoroastrians fell back to being a minor group in Persia in the face of outside threats. The Roman emperors swayed back and forth until Constantine decided he could do better by enlisting the Christians than persecuting them–thus ending the sporadic attempts at emperor worship. Only among the Christians was there an ongoing record of successive charges to which new scapegoaters could point as “history.” (After their initial battles, Muslims relegated Jews to a status of second-class citizens, but they did not engage in the persecutions that other groups had.)

Even within Christianity, Judaism was not persecuted uniformly. In the Byzantine Empire, early feuds between Christians and Jews dating to the first century lingered. Later, when the Byzantine Empire briefly overran portions of Zoroastrian lands, their antipathy was reinforced. In Western Europe, however, there was initially no large scale, continuous history of persecution. There were periodic calls from church leaders to avoid Jewish influence, but it was never pervasive. Charlemagne codified some anti-semitism in the West as he imported some Byzantine rules while trying to legitimize his empire. However, it was not until the 12th century Crusades that persecution in the West became an endemic problem. Money problems led to several episodes of scapegoating when the Crusades were called. Those episodes built on each other until anti-semitism was firmly entrenched in European culture at the time of the Reformation.

The “race” issue that JohnM mentioned is, again, an outgrowth of the scapegoating. European Christian and Jewish farmers are noted living peacefully side by side in what is now France, Spain, and Germany up until the period between Charlemagne and the First Crusade (or the Moorish invasion in the case of Spain). At that time some people began speaking against the Jews as a “evil race.” (This was very likely going on much earlier in the Byzantine Empire, but I have seen fewer references to it, so I am not completely sure of it.)