A kid stole candy from our store--and his mother did absolutely nothing.

I guess it depends on how “old” you mean by “old days”. In the halcyon days of yore (that is, the 1950’s), my uncle got a “thrashin’” from a store owner for stealing. When he came home limping, his father sent him out to cut another switch so Dad could add a few licks himself.

I’m not sayin’ we should go back to corporal punishment over Kit-Kats, but I do think our children are suffering in this day when grown-ups are terrified to correct children that aren’t theirs who are misbehaving in public, and parents are likely to take the kid’s side against any correction, even if it’s warranted. OTOH, I think there’s too much weasley backstabbing going behind parent’s back to call CPS for nonsensical “violations” as well. We’ve gone overboard in sticking our noses in in some ways and underboard in others. I wish I knew how to fix that.

I don’t know about that. It’s not so much the humiliation, but that it’s more effective, I think, to teach a kid something in context. My daughter is almost 4, and if I was in this situation with her, I would have turned to her and explained that you do not take things that don’t belong to you, and I probably also would have told her to tell the store manager that she was sorry and wouldn’t do it again. Now, I probably wouldn’t be as stern as I would with a child who was older and presumably knows better, but I certainly would use it as a teaching moment.

OMG! You would parent your child in public? Just what kind of mother are you, anyway? :wink:

Pick me! pick me!

Oh, wait-I can no longer “breed”…
[Emily Latella voice] never mind[/ELV]

This I don’t agree with at all. The mom in the scenario* bought the candy bar for the kid.* No matter what she says to that kid, no matter how much she “yells” or whatever–kid has NOT learned a lesson that stealing is wrong. Kid has learned that he can do whatever he pleases in the store and still get his way/goal–candy.

And yes, I think she was under an obligation to discipline her child in front of the cashier. It’s called reinforcing social boundaries–kids cannot learn all appropriate behavior at home. They learn a lot there, probably most of it, but the lessons need RL reinforcement. The mom didn’t “owe” the OP anything–she owed it to her son and us, the general public, who now have yet another entitled brat foisted on us. I hope he doesn’t keep trying to steal when he wants something, but the lesson he learned that day is not one of deterrence.

Humiliation? You have got to be kidding me. It’s humiliating to be told in a stern voice that you shouldn’t steal candy in a store (or ever)? How is that humiliating in the first place? Are the signs that are displayed in stores, reading “A free trip in a police car for anyone caught shoplifting” just too much for their fragile little psyches? Stealing is a crime for which the shopkeeper is within his rights to call the cops. I think that doing so for a 6 year old with his mom is a bit much, but when do you start calling the police? Age 8? 10? Puberty?

The mom messed up big time–and probably is mad at the store for hurting Junior’s feelings. Some people should not be parents–this is one example.

I think this is a seriously misguided interpretation. Little kids live in the moment. Even if she explained to him later that stealing is wrong, what did he learn in the store? That his mom doesn’t mind, that the manager really isn’t that mad and you won’t suffer any immediate consequences, just a lecture and an abstract idea that taking things is wrong–except he’s already been shown that it’s really not that big a deal and that he got rewarded for attempted theft.
And yes, I think a little “humiliation” is exactly what’s needed–feeling shame for having taken something that wasn’t yours at six years old is a far more valuable lesson than not feeling shame, but serving jail time as a juvenile or adult. You can’t correct the bearings on a moral compass at eighteen after a consequence-free adolescence, but you can at six.

Do you really think being told that “if you steal things, you’ll get in trouble and people will think badly of you” and experiencing the exact opposite has equal resonance as actually getting in trouble and experiencing the consequences?

And that excuses the mother’s and kid’s behavior, how exactly?

WHOOSH.

(methinks twas a jest, kind sirrah)

I am a parent, and this is precisely what bothers me. She rewarded him. I’m guessing that the kid has a father or grandparent who’s involved in raising him as well, since he DID know that stealing is wrong, and he sure didn’t learn that from Mommy.

The mother shouldn’t have any more kids, as obviously parenting is not her top priority. And she should have been banned from the store for a couple of weeks, at least.

I almost wonder if the Kit-Kat was for Mom.

Well, I could practice my technique with you until a find a breeding female. :wink:

I have occasionally while shopping stuck something into my pocket because my hands were full (I hadn’t bothered to grab a basket on the way in because I was only planning to buy a few things, then remembered I needed something while I was walking through the store). I’ve never been stopped before I got to the checkout by store security, but I’d like to see them try to prove that I hadn’t intended to pay for them.

Of course, that’s not the same as what the kid did, but I bring it up in response to the previous posts regarding “intent” being assumed by the law. Until I walk past the checkout area with an unpaid-for item, I have not committed a crime.

Stop! I have visions of Freudian co-dependency now dancing in my head! :eek:

heh. What d’ya bet they split it?

From the OP (bolding mine):

Looks to me like the kid got what he wanted.

♫Take a tip from Bill Sikes
He can whip what he likes.
I recall, he started small
He had to pick-a-pocket or two.

You’ve got to pick-a-pocket or two, boys
You’ve got to pick-a-pocket or two. ♫

One other thing regarding public vs private punishment…in this case, there is a wronged party, and that is what will resonate more if the child is spoken to in the store. And, what I consider the mother “owed” the OP was, at the very least, an apology.

Except that our store is right in the heart of the high-crime area. We have people–both kids and grownups–who routinely walk into our store and help themselves to merchandise. Every day. All the time. They open packages, they eat, they steal. They fill their pockets and drop stuff down the front of their pants and put it in their baby strollers. When we clean the store every night, we find the tags and packaging they’ve ripped off the dog collars, garden gloves, Choreboys, condoms, bags of marshmallows, fake nails, Advil, endless opened tubs of gummy worms and Slim Jims and DVDs. This isn’t a Nice Store where we can afford to wink at a little shoplifting; this is wholesale looting, every day, all day. And the only weapon we have is…

…nuttin’.
We got nuttin’.
We can’t stop them.

All we can do is occasionally have a cop haul one of them away in handcuffs, or maybe give a six-year-old a stern talking-to, and hope the deterrence trickles down just a bit.

So, calling the police on a six-year-old–who we know perfectly well will be back this summer with his friends, filling his pockets with our Kit-Kat bars–is a perfectly sensible reaction, made by people who literally have no other recourse. All we can do, otherwise, is just stand there and take it. Which none of us is inclined to do, thankyouverymuch.


[laughs helplessly]

You’ve never worked in retail sales, have you? You’ve never had to deal with the Infuriated Mom, whose son you have just mortally insulted by accusing of shoplifting?

Nuh-uh. I don’t get paid enough to go there, no way. Nope, my standard operating procedure is–and may I stress that this is officially sanctioned by Walgreens Corporate up in Deerfield–I see a problem, I send for Management, I let Management handle it. Corporate’s expectation is that their Management personnel will have the people skills to deal with infuriated customers, not their minimum wage checkout clerks. I mean, c’mon, be serious–you wouldn’t seriously expect a checkout clerk at Wal-Mart or Dollar Tree to go mano-a-mano with an angry customer, would you? No way. They send for the gals in the Red Vests, that’s what happens. That checkout girl isn’t being paid to deal with the public, she’s being paid to run the cash register.

And so with me. Confronting the woman myself would have been my absolutely last-on-the-list option, coming after “bashing the kid over the head with my stepstool” and “shrieking ‘stop thief!’ at the top of my lungs”.

Well, sorry to disagree, it certainly IS my concern to go all judgemental on her and say she’s a bad mother, as it’s a free country and I’m entitled to my opinion.

And there’s this, which you may have heard before: “The only thing that is required for evil to flourish is for good men to stand by and do nothing.” In my own small way, I’m helping to make the world a better place by pointing my finger to the place wherein dwells Evil, when I come across it. And a mother who fails to teach her son that stealing is wrong is Evil.

Ah. And what “old days” would those have been? The ones in which we all grew up together in a cozy, wee village in Mid-America, and everybody knew who everybody’s kid was? Or did your particular old days take place in a high-crime, drug-dealing area of a post-industrial economically-depressed Rust Belt city of 86,000? There’s no way I would have presumed to have informed this woman that her son was less than perfect, because I was a stranger to her, and round these hyar parts, strangers’ input into how one is raising one’s kids is not welcome.

Oh yes. Absolutely. My expectation was–and not only mine, but also the Assistant Manager’s, and the majority of the people posting in this thread–that she would, first of all, stop with her own business, and address herself to the fact that her son had just done something heinous, as in “wrong”, “bad”, “evil”, and “totally unacceptable to Society”.

And that, having stopped her own train of thought, she would then address herself to her offspring, and, you know, like, say something reprimand-like to him, along the lines of, oh, I dunno, “Bad puppy! No biscuit!”

Yanno? Like, TELL him he did something bad.

At the minimum.

Now, as for whether she merely reprimanded him, or made him apologize, or spanked him, or took him out into the parking lot and beat the crap outta him, it doesn’t matter. What she OWED me–and not just me, but Society in general–was, at the minimum, to reinforce for her son the information that he had just received from two other adults that yes, he had indeed just done something heinous.

And that she was Not Happy about it.
And that there would now be Consequences, of some kind, if only an expression of parental disappointment.
And he’d better not do it again.

Really, like I said, that would have been enough. I didn’t need to SEE him punished, I just needed HER to acknowledge that there was indeed a problem, and to indicate such to her son.

Okay. How many kids do you have, and how old are they, and how would you discipline them in this situation? Mine are 24, 21, and 18, and none of them has ever been in any kind of trouble, not even being caught stealing candy at the store.

If that had been my kid, what would have happened would have been:

Mom: shock, horror, disappointment, anger. “You’re way old enough to know better! That’s STEALING! That’s EVIL!” Followed by, “Apologize to the store manager!” followed by, “We are going straight home, whatever outing we have planned for the rest of the day is cancelled, and you will stay in your room for an hour with no toys. And when Daddy gets home from work, you will have to explain to him what you did today, because it’s not my job to tattle on you. You can man up and tell Daddy yourself.”

As a number of people have pointed out in the thread, it was precisely the memory of that humiliation that kept them from further pecadillos. You might think about that. That kid wasn’t caught doing something merely “embarrassing”, like peeing his pants or farting–he was caught doing something “wrong”, as in “bad”, as in “evil”, in “totally not acceptable to Society”. And yeah, if humiliation will prevent him from ever again doing something “wrong”, “bad”, “evil”, and “totally not acceptable to Society”–and many people in this thread feel that it does–then bring it on.

An appology, at least, to the store employees, and a stern look to said kid. I’d wait to start yelling, but I’d make said kid appologize as well.

[Cosby]
I was getting a cookie for you?
I don’t want a cookie!
Well, can I have it?
[/Cosby]

Funny, given this,

sounds like he already does know that it’s wrong, but just like most other human beings, even if something is wrong it doesn’t mean you don’t do it if you think you can get away with it, speeding anyone?

If this child had been “raised by wolves” he wouldn’t have been bothered by being caught by DDG, he would have ripped open the Kit-Kat and chowed down, growling at DDG the whole time.

I don’t see how getting caught by DDG, having the store manager tell the kid that what he did was so wrong that it could have become a police matter, and having “woman who came in with” give the child an object lesson in how civilized folks get what they want isn’t sufficient.

Sorry, I’ve seen way too many parents who’s idea of “proper” discipline in public borders on both physical and mental abuse to be troubled by a parent who might have thought it better to deal with it later in a more appropriate setting.

Since we have access to DDG’s crystal ball,

and then Mom schooled him in the proper way to set-up a meth lab followed by a quick refresher on the best way to dispose of a corpse. :rolleyes:

I’m sure all the folks in this thread who’ve fessed up to their shoplifting past (you can add me to the list) appreciate the truthiness of that statement.
Today’s speed limit violator is tomorrow’s serial killer. :rolleyes:

CMC +fnord!
Ummm, could we all get this part of the story right,

and the follow-up post,

the woman who bought the candy bar wasn’t the Mom.

Humiliation is what mom needs, fear of recieving same is what child needs.

My kid pocketed a candy bar when he was about four. I made him give it back to the clerk and then I walked him over to the little Mayberry lock-up police station in our little town. I asked the cop to show him where people have to live if they choose to steal. It seemed to leave the correct impression on him.

But that was my choice as a parent. If I was a clerk, I would never dream of calling the cops in that situation. You can let the parent know what the kid did. This kid’s parent wasn’t the first parent to respond poorly to such a situation and certainly won’t be the last. It’s disheartening, for sure. But that’s life.