A maximum penalty of one year for plowing into a car and causing a death? HUH???

I’m far worse than Hitler and Mussolini – I’m a lawyer. :wink:

Seriously, having worked on many cases involving major personal injuries and deaths from motor vehicle accidents, and having paid my way through my first degree working at a funeral home where a fair number of deceased had died in motor vehicle accidents, and being an occasional short bus driver (and being licensed but not employed as an ambulance driver) who has given careful consideration as to how to keep my passengers safe, I find that more and more I am of the opinion that people should not unduely exceed the speed limit (assuming that the speed limit is a reasonable one).

Quite simply, my attitude changed as I had to deal with dead and disabled people and their grieving families – tragedies due to MVAs that would not have occured but for either excessive speed and/or excessive alcohol.

I have no sympathy for folks who complain about drivers who do not exceed the speed limit.

The reality is that I don’t. Yeah, if you want to call a few mph over the limit speeding, sure. But that’s pretty nitpicky.

Not really. An accident would be something like a chunk of ice falling from the sky and causing the woman to unavoidably lose control. This is not an accident, it is a case of negligence, insofar as the driver failed to take due care in operating her vehicle in such as way as to not cause harm to others.

Celebrity or not, this type of thing should be splashed all over the front pages of papers, to remind some of these moron drivers that if you speed and kill someone, your ass is going to prison.

Agreed, although I think he cleared it all up back in post 17.

All I’m saying is that mere adherence to the posted speed limits does not make one a safe driver. You can be a terrible unsafe driver and still obey the speed limits.

Of course obeying the speed limit is almost always a pretty good idea. But it isn’t always, such as when you’re in a 55 zone in good weather and heavy traffic and everyone else is doing 65. If you’re in the rain and fog and going 45 and thats what you feel is a safe driving speed and everyone else is doing 65 then getting off the road is a pretty good idea, because either you’re wrong and you’re going to cause an accident due to slow speeds, or they’re wrong, and one of those guys is going to plow into somebody due to reckless speeds. And while it probably would be the other guys fault in that case, that’s pretty cold comfort when your car is wrecked due to the other guy’s fault.

And even the best driver in the world can have an accident, all it takes is a second of inattention. 999999 times out of 1000000 that second of inattention won’t cause an accident, which is why punishing people harshly for the one time it does is ridiculous.

I don’t think anyone here disagreed with that.

Actually, QED did. He stated that anyone who claims to have never sped is a liar. I called him out on that.

Yes, you did. And it turns out you were lying.

That’s not an accident, that’s an “act of God.”

There is not enough information in the article to make that determination. Unless you were there, you cannot say this with any certainty.

No, I wasn’t. As I said, unless you consider going just a handful of mph over limit as speeding, which is nitpicking.

No, I consider this as speeding:

If the speed limit on this road was 60 or over, I’ll retract my assertion. Otherwise, you lied. Once is not never.

Damn, another tire just blew driving over a nitpick. No one could ever accuse this thread of speeding along.

I said I sped once in my life. That was the first thing I said on the subject. Right up front. I recounted the exact number of times I’ve sped. You even quoted it. Your counter to this is “You lied because you said you sped once”?

Oh please! Martyr much?

You threw down the gauntlet and said “I’ve driven over the speed limit once… Call me a liar”. So a bunch of us called you a liar. You admitted you where the one who was in fact lying, because you do speed. Take your lumps like a man and quit acting misunderstood.

Oh, go fuck yourself. I wouldn’t have even bothered with this silly argument if tdn hadn’t come riding in on his high horse specifically (and rather superciliously, I might add) to refute my post with a claim which later turned out to be bullshit.

You have yet to explain how my claim was bullshit.

And I was never on a high horse. I was simply trying to narrow your broad brush. It was you who started with the assertion of liar. Back it up or retract it.

“I don’t speed, officer, I was just going a few miles an hour over the speed limit.”

How do you define speeding? Can you give me a number?

Hey tdn, have you heard those various protests where people get on the highway and drive side by side at the speed limit? Happened in Toronto a few years ago and I see some taking-themselves-to-seriously college students did as well, recording it for youtube. Any comments?

I’ll gladly take my lumps. But first, show me where I lied.