A maximum penalty of one year for plowing into a car and causing a death? HUH???

We’ve gotten pretty far afield from the original point I was trying to make here. Let’s go back to what I said originally, shall we?

Again, please, note very carefully that I said nothing about exceeding the speed limit. I don’t know why you keep going back to that, because that’s NOT what I said.

Any amount over the posted speed limit is speeding. One mile over for one second is speeding.

Yeah, those guys were assholes.

What of it?

I’m not the person you’re replying to, but I would define it as anything that is over the posted speed limit or that is too fast for the current road conditions. The latter would be subject to ones discretion compared to the first which is an absolute.

That’s not to say I don’t speed, but I do recognize that 5 mph over the limit IS speeding.

Ah, so according to QED, I’m not a liar, and according to Kalhoun, I am. Glad we settled that.

I’ll take my lumps now.

Well, geeze. She only killed someone. You’d think she inadvertently found porn on her computer or something. Now that’s worth 40 years in jail. Killing someone - meh. Especially if you’re a young sexy superstar.
(What the FCUK is going on with this world?)

Sometimes very contradictory things.

Here, let me help

You must be lying in one of these statements as they are contradictory.

Not only do I think you are a liar, but I think you are a self-righteous, sanctimonious asshole too. Just MHO.

You can be doing 10 miles under the posted speed in a rainstorm and if you get in an accident, you will likely be cited for driving to fast for conditions. It is different from speeding, but the result is the same.

Sigh.

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This topic is getting way to complex for me, I need a nap.

As I said, the road condition one is more discretionary where exceeding the posted limit is an absolute.

Speeding is generally defined and understood to mean “exceeding the speed limit.” So if the speed limit is 25, that number is 26. If the speed limit is 55, that number is 56. If the speed limit is 70, that number is 71. I’m sure you get how it works. So chalk me up as another person who had trouble reconciling the self-righteous “I never speed, I’ve speeded once in my life” with “I only go a few miles over” The second contradicts the first. But you’ll have to excuse my confusion, as I’m one of those lurking lawyers. :rolleyes:

If you are going at or near the speed limit, there is no way you will be charged with impeding traffic only for going too slow for conditions. The correct speed for conditions has already been set by the authorities – that’s the speed limit – and that’s how fast you are going. The fact that everyone else is going 90 mph is not your problem, though you would be well-advised to move to the far right lane (in the States, where the right lane is the slowest lane and the most left lane is the passing or “fast” lane) because you might be ticketed for impeding traffic not based on your speed but based on your refusal to move over.

And here’s another FYI: even if you’re going under the speed limit, you can still be charged with driving too fast for conditions and/or failing to maintain a safe following distance if you rear-end someone else. That’s because the very fact that you rear-ended someone is itself evidence that (a) you’re driving too fast for the conditions (the condition being stop-and-go traffic, or a stopped car ahead of you) and (b) you were following too closely – because if you weren’t you wouldn’t have hit them.

So all the kerfluffle about what consitutes “speeding” and whether Brandi was “speeding” and do you automatically become completely undeserving of sympathy for any result if you were “speeding” – they’re all sort of beside the point. If you hit someone from behind, 99 times out of 100, you will be charged with something. If someone dies as a result of your rear-ending someone, but you did nothing else to put you at fault, you probably will be charged with the least serious charge for criminal actions involving the death of someone – in this case, involuntary manslaughter.

Awww! Eyer beat me to the lump givings!!

shakes fist in an angry manner Damn you Eyer8, damn you to hell!

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I’ve neither stated nor implied any such thing. I still say you’re a liar. Yes, you did admit you had exceeded the speed limit the one time, however, your convoluted explanation as to why it was perfectly safe to do so was horseshit. Regardless of whatever rationalization you might provide, 70 MPH on a country road (which probably isn’t very well maintained, if my experience with various rural roadways is typical) is, as I said, driving faster than you should.

Let me revise my original statement then, to make myself clear. Not that it will do any good to people hell-bent on calling me a liar.

I have, to the best of my recollection, driven at an unsafe speed once, exactly once, less than twice, more than zero times. On occasion, I have exceeded the speed limit, but not excessively. On occasion, I have driven under the speed limit. In those cases, my deviation from the posted speed limit was in the interest of safety, in light of blending in with the flow of traffic.

That should put this to bed. I doubt it will.

Do you see why we’re having a hard time with your original statement?

From my point of view, the term speeding just means going above the speed limit. Practically that would mean if the speed can be measured by a radar gun or speedomiter to be above the speed limit, ie about 1 mph or more above the speed limit.

Unless you’re Brandy, I don’t care one way or the other since the thread is about the accident she was in. So does it help that at least one doper doesn’t give a rat’s ass if you speed or not? :smiley:

Well, I for one would not call you a liar, since it doesn’t appear you were intentionally stating a falsehood, just using your own personal (very odd) definition of what constitutes “speeding.” But you in turn should be able to recognize why so many people found your comments contradictory and confusing – not only were they not using the same definition of speeding you were, they didn’t know the personal definition you were using.

Yes, I did. I did not lie about that. Are we in agreement here?

For one thing, my explanation was hardly convoluted. I don’t see how it could be any more straightforward. For another, I never claimed it was perfectly safe. I claimed that I didn’t pose a hazard to other drivers. I admit that I myself could have gotten hurt, though the likelyhood was low.

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