A modest gun control proposal: First, confiscate all guns.

Well, just the ones that load cartridges and use smokeless powder. But as it’s un-American to just take stuff, I propose an exchange program. Not the usual WalMart gift card, but like for like except with black powder muzzleloaders.

Muzzleloaders aren’t just quaint relics of the past. They’ve killed plenty of people over the centuries—just ask George Pickett’s former division—and from its introduction in 1847 to the release of the .357 Magnum in 1934 the Walker Colt was the most powerful revolver in the world. It was even designed to kill Indians and Mexicans in Texas, which should appeal to people concerned about our porous southern border. Then there is the 1851 Nave Colt .36cal, which has ballistic characteristics similar to a modern .380 automatic and was the favorite of Wild Bill Hickok.

If you prefer concealed-carry pistols, you can have your choice of an array of fine firearms, from pocket revolvers (Colt sold 325,000 of a single model) to the Derringer, which is plenty deadly—just ask Lincoln.

Hunters wouldn’t be left out, either. We have Colt’s revolving rifles but, really, if it takes you more than one shot to bag a buck you have no business being out there. These are highly-effective guns for hunting—just ask the American Bison. And there is no question about the effectiveness of black-powder shotguns—just ask the Passenger Pigeon.

These guns should especially appeal to do-it-yourselfers because they can build them from kits or even entirely from scratch if you are a hardcore survivalist with a machine shop and the ammunition can be made in your kitchen, though making gunpowder and casting bullets should not be done at the same time. I assembled a pistol from a kit, took one look at it, swore I’d never fire a gun I had built, and went shopping in catalogs, where I found modern reproductions that are made better and with better materials than the originals. There are also guns with modern looks for those who prefer their instruments of death to be ugly and soulless, made of stainless steel and plastic.

And then there are the cannon, which seem to be legal in most states. There’s nothing like firing a load of grape to break up a crowd of sullen teenagers who were looking at you funny—ask the students of Paris in 1832.

How, you ask, will arraying people like Billy the Kid reduce gun crime? The answer is simple because the guns are not simple. In fact, they are a pain in the ass to load and reload, much less maintain. And you cannot leave them laying around loaded because black powder absorbs water from the atmosphere and loses its potency. A young gang-banger, handed a Remington New Army that sat loaded for the past six months, would look pretty stupid standing in the middle of the street with his gun only making a bang from the cap and a fizzle from the powder. And forget about not cleaning it after every use; the remnants of traditional black powder foul the barrel and humidity turns it to acid, so while gangstas don’t care about getting a second use from a gun you would look as silly if you fired a poorly-maintained gun at a prowler. But most have heavy barrels and wooden stocks and were originally built to double as clubs. And you can fix a long, pokey bayonet.

In conclusion, anti-gun people will be happy because the most destructive guns will be off the street, the pro-gun people will be happy because they can dress up like Clint Eastwood as Josey Wales, and the eternal fiddlers can fiddle endlessly with things that require some upkeep on nights when it is too cold to fiddle with British sports cars.

for god’s sake, why did you have to bring British sports cars to a gun fight? The next thing you know the Fiat owners will show up claiming their cars are prettier AND more reliable and we’ll have an international incident… :wink:

This is in Great Debates because?

Yes, this is the perfect solution. Go ahead.

No problem. Since they’ll never take away police officers’ guns, I’ll just find some '60s-era radical pamphlets on “how to ambush the pigs and steal their guns”. They’ve got some quality stuff there…

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I hope

I think it should be a federal crime to post anything on the Internet suggesting that the right to keep and bear arms should only apply to muzzle-loading black powder weapons. (People would of course still be free to make such arguments by standing on a soapbox in the town square, or printing up some handbills on a printing press and passing them out to people on street corners or posting them in public places.)

It’s a serious, possibly-workable solution presented for debate. I have given the advantages and how they will appeal to the law-abiding involved parties. These are sporting as well as deadly weapons with the slight catch that they are too big a pain for the casual, non-law-abiding user. That won’t stop the psychos any more than it stopped Billy the Kid and Jesse James, but it might reduce their bodycounts.

Yeah, no one needs a high-capacity magazine; 30 pages at most.

Further research is showing that black-powder firearms made by Italian manufacturers are lacking in quality and reliability, but they are still damned pretty.

Well, from a strictly originalist standpoint these were the arms the Framers were referring to.

I thought it was serious in the same manner that suggesting the Irish eat their babies and use their skins to make gloves was serious. Well, then, jolly good.

Given the title, in retrospect I can see now why you might think that, but no, it was just my deep, inner modesty given flight.

Let’s compromise; you have the right to eat guns and bear an Irishman. It’ll cut down on iron deficiency, and Irishmen are pretty heavy; it’ll be hard to beat someone to death with one.

<NRA> And when Joe Citizen is outgunned because he gave up his modern guns and The Criminals did not, what will you tell his widow? </NRA>

Ah, but all you need do is bear the Irishman to the fight and have him fight for you. The English have done that for ages with the Irish, the Scots, and the Welsh.

And the Australians, the New Zealanders, the Canadians…

That his reproduction Kentucky rifle would look great above her fireplace? Or that he’s still be alive if he had learned to use his gun, drawing it and shooting it from the hip quickly and accurately? The NRA has even made a sport of that!

But there are no actual gunfights on the street these days. Shit, there pretty much weren’t any in the Old West; the gunfight at the OK Corral was between cops (under a loose definition of it) and criminals. If you feel a need to carry a gun for your protection you should know how to use it effectively and use situational awareness to prevent the bad guy from getting the drop on you.

But the important part of this proposal is that nobody is disarmed, just put out a bit, and nobody is left to be outgunned in normal use. A Walker Colt will still put a 14-yr-old girl on her ass with its kick.

How do you propose to get the bad guys to go along with the exchange program?

I came up with it this afternoon. I haven’t worked out all of the bugs, but I’m open to suggestions.

It’s nice of you to tell us what will make all the gun owners happy, but how many gun owners did you actually talk to before you decided to put forth this proposal? I’d be willing to treat your thesis with more seriousness if you told us you didn’t just make it up without doing any real world research. Otherwise, it’s just a joke.

The same number as non-owners I consulted.

So all threads in GD must be fully researched before they are debated? Because none of us have access to a survey company and few of us are experts in the field we are discussing this limits the discussion to parroting someone else’s work.

That hurt, John. It may not be workable. It may be a bit whimsical. But I stand behind my belief that the all-in-one cartridge and smokeless powder made it far too easy for idiots to operate guns and if we remove that from the equation we would all be safer.

Yes, but dropzone, forcing people to stop internet posting and replace it with writing longhand letters to the editor would keep them from saying stupid things online as easily, and yet we don’t do that either.