A newly decrepit NDP demands pop culture writers know something about pop culture.

I’m not sure if this thread belongs in Cafe Society or the Pit but since involves a rather petty rant on my part, I opted for the latter.

As my birthday approaches and the number of days in which I can still call myself young can be counted on my hands, I find myself getting increasingly bothered by the ignorance displayed by people apparently younger than me about matters of recent history and pop culture. Just in the last few weeks, I came across a review of the Grammy awards in Salon in which the writer (a person who professed to know a fair amount about popular music) didn’t know who honoree Dickey Betts was. Now, I’m not an Allman Brothers fanatic or above the age of 45, but even I–someone with only a superficial knowledge about 70’s Southern rock–have some idea of who he is and why he was being honored. Even if the Salon writer was considerably younger than me, I would’ve thought this person would’ve acquired through osmosis enough knowledge about rock music to at least slightly recognize the name of Dickey Betts. You expect a certain level of knowledge about a subject matter from a professional writer (even if it’s only for an on-line magazine like Salon).

Anyway, I would’ve forgotten this were it not for another display of ignorance of pop culture by a writer of a web article for Yahoo! News. This time, the subject was movies–in particular how winning an Oscar proved detrimental to some actors’ careers. The examples cited included Luise Rainer, Louise Fletcher, and–this is what caused me to question Yahoo! News’ criteria for hiring reporters–Walter Brennan? Regarding the latter, the article states:

Now, I don’t work in movies or write about movies. I am not a film geek who’s seen every movie that’s been made over the last 100 years and knows every actor who was in them. I consider my knowledge of movies and actors, at best, only passable for someone of my age and education. However, even I know who Walter Brennan was and can recognize him in movies like Red River, Bad Day at Black Rock, and Rio Bravo (a few of the so-called obscure B-grade movies Brennan did after 1940). I also know who he was from repeats of “The Real McCoys” from the 60’s. I also think that other people who are in my age group and older can, even if they can’t place the name, at least recognize the face. (Granted, he wasn’t a leading man like James Stewart of John Wayne, but he was one of the classic “Hey! It’s That Guy!” type of character actors. Brennan often played grizzled and gimpy old men in John Ford and Howard Hawks Westerns and, in fact, was so much of an archetypical grizzled and gimpy old man that people often confuse him with other actors who played similar characters in movies like, for example, Walter Huston in The Treasure of the Sierra Madre.) Is it too much to ask that the writer at Yahoo! News have enough dim recognition of who Walter Brennan was to realize that in no way does he belong on a list of actors who disappeared into obscurity soon after winning an Academy Award? This person is supposed to be informing people about a subject that may not know much about. I expect a certain level of knowledge.

Anyway, I realize this isn’t that important in the grand scheme of things. Despite the existence of the internet, tapes, DVDs. and cable networks like TCM, the people who are now starting to write about matters of popular culture seem to have little knowledge of anything made before 1985. I suppose the fact I do know about such trivia is a sign I’m quickly becoming old and irrelevent. Still, that doesn’t prevent such public displays of professional ignorance from being damn galling to me.

I don’t have much to say about pop culture or bad writers’ ignorance of it, but the thread title really made me think you were pitting these guys, until I opened the thread.

I have never heard of Dickey Betts-he was one of the Allman Brothers?

C’mon, NDP. They’re kids. The reporters who get these sorts of gigs ain’t what you’d call experienced. I speak with knowledge on this. Music writers for Rolling Stone and such might have some mileage and experience but not for Yahoo or Salon. It’s probably some 24 year old intern making $8 an hour.

Also, given the language used in the article, the writers aren’t American (no American uses “gongs” for awards–that’s a Fleet Street term), so they wouldn’t know that much about Southenr rock or American TV shows from the 60s, would they?

Heck with Walter Brennan, they list Edmund Gwinn as falling off the face of the Earth when he was in 20 films in the following eight years.

Clearly, they hadn’t done their research.

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That is why god [or al gore] invented the fucking internet…comprendez google?

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with the internet, i could probably write a coherent [if rusty] article about just about anything with several days notice, and I havent had any sort of creative writing/journalist class in 25 years.

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Slap your head all you like, but my point still stands–a Brit reporter can look up Walter Brennan on IMDB.com, but that won’t tell him which roles resonated with American viewers. I remember The Real McCoys, but how on Earth is a Brit going to know that an obscure TV show introduced Walter Brennan to Boomer and post-Boomer kids?

I’ll agree with NDP. It seems a lot of people (no matter what age) seem to think that if they don’t know about something, how can it possibly be important?

Gee, how could a Brit reporter find out about the popularity of an American actor? Darn that is a toughie. Hmmmmmm how about joining an American message Board and see what they have to say?

Incidentally, Walter Brennan was in a TV show that lasted 2 years (late 1960’s) called the “Guns of Will Sonnett”. If nothing else, it brought a new expression into American parlance. In the show, he was a gunfighter and the father and grandfather of gunfighters - but he was faster than all of them. “No brag - just fact”.
(Trivia - in the movie “Shalespeare in Love” someone says to Shakespeare “tell me about your latest sonnett Will”. Maybe it’s just my imaginiation but I thought they threw in that line as a pun for TV trivia cognoscenti).

Also Walter Brennan had a Top 5 song (one of those spoken “songs”) in the early 1960’s called “That Mule, Old Rivers and Me”.

Yes, it is sad how Walter Brennan just fell off the face of the Earth after only winning 3 measly Oscars. Damn that curse !!! :rolleyes:

If the reporter in question had even some basic knowledge of classic movies and directors like Frank Capra, John Ford and Howard Hawks, then he or she would’ve certainly noticed such post-1940 titles like Meet John Doe, My Darling Clementine, and Red River on Brennan’s IMDB’s filmography. And it’s not necessarily just an “American thing” because Ford and Hawks are well-known among film buffs in the UK. Also, if you’re going to write about a specific subject matter like movies and Oscar-winning actors, it helps if you have some knowledge about the subject (or at least write well enough so you can fake it). With the Yahoo! News article, I got the impression the reporter hadn’t seen any movie made before 1980.

It’s too bad Eve’s on sabbatical from this board. I would’ve liked to read her take on this subject and whether the apparent ignorance displayed by the writer of the Yahoo! News article is common.

I think Gobear’s point is valid. Maybe the writers should make clear whether they’re writing about American pop culture, Worldwide pop culture, British pop culture, or what have you. And they could identify their own bias as well, where they’re from and so forth.

How about by noting the movies he was in, looking on IMDB.com to see who else was in his ‘little nothing’ movies, and how MANY movies/TV shows he was in…christ on a crutch, he has 80800 google hits… :rolleyes:

I thought exactly the same thing.