A perfected Jew

[Cartooniverse]

@pool

Because Li’l Pluck prefaces all conversations with “I’m a gay, black, jew”.

Word around town is that he uses it to get good seats at shows.

( ducks, flees )

( or is that ducks, fleas ? )

[Liberal]

@Indistinguishable

Ignore this post. Read the next one, though, it’s awesome…

That’s why you sooooo belong here.

[Maus_Magill]

@Li'l Pluck

@pool

Because Li’l Pluck prefaces all conversations with “I’m a gay, black, jew”.

{snip}

Oh, and you forgot “atheist”.

Dude - you’re like your own demographic.

[Slypork]

@Maus Magill

Dude - you’re like your own demographic.

He needs to be blind or have a limp to complete it, though.

[EddyTeddyFreddy]

@erie774

He needs to be blind or have a limp to complete it, though.

And then: the reality show!

[Qadgop_the_Mercotan]

@Bricker

Not at all. If you’ve never heard of Christ, to take an easy case, how could you be expected to know anything about Him?

No, there’s nothing that requires knowledge of Christ in this doctrine.

Ah, but what if one has been exposed to Christianity, yet did not embrace it?

That’s what I get from some of my kinsmen: Doubly damned to hell because I’m not even a virtuous pagan, having heard the Truth, and rejected it.

[OneCentStamp]

@Bricker

You wound me, sir.

As a Roman Catholic, I certainly believe that the one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic Church is the best and most certain way to salvation. But I also believe in the doctrine of baptism of desire, that one who acts under the inspiration of grace, seeks to do good and know God sincerely and strive to fulfill His will as best he can, may be saved even if they know nothing of the Church or of Christ, and have not been traditionally baptized.

In short, I do NOT believe it’s necessary to know Christ or be a Christian to be saved, and I repudiate any view to the contrary.

Is this last view unique to you, or is it also something you believe “as a Roman Catholic?”

[eleanorigby]

I knew Coulter was stupid, but I am taken aback by my lack of awareness as to the depths of her stupidity. If we remove the right of women to vote–she also loses that right–if she is indeed a female…
She’s a perfected moron.

[Slypork]

@OneCentStamp

Is this last view unique to you, or is it also something you believe “as a Roman Catholic?”

Raised Catholic, now I’m what my BIL calls a “Catholic of convenience” showing up for the big three: bred, wed and dead.

I refuse to believe that people who do good would be excluded from heaven/salvation/paradise/Hooters (hey, that might be someone’s idea of nirvana) simply because they don’t believe that JC was the Boss’s son. Ghandi seemed like a pretty good egg and I’d hate to think he was gypped of some afterlife rewards. I believe that you are saved by who you are and what you do, not just for who or what you believe in. If you don’t believe in a divine being and prefer to take a dirt nap when the time comes, I hope the worms find you delicious. I just think there has to be more.

I believe in God and I believe that JC was His kid. I believe that Jesus made Peter the first Pope thus establishing Christianity in the form of the Catholic Church. All other Christian denominations are all offshoots of it. This does not make them wrong in my view, merely different.

I also believe that Catholicism is out of touch with the modern world and needs to reform. It is only slightly more advanced than radical Islam with its views on women and sex.

I also believe that Coulter is a hack and a hag who should be placed in a convent with a vow of silence, poverty and chastity so that no one will ever have to hear from her again, she never makes another dime as long as she lives and so there is no earthly way for her to pass her twisted chromosomes along.

[plnnr]

Ann Coulter is, in some ways, much like the porn industry.

In order to keep moving the product, it has to be come more sensational, more over-the-top, more MORE.

Yes, Ann Coulter is like nothing more than a semen-encrusted Kleenex wad at an adult bookstore, or a DVD promoting 4 SUPER GONZA HOURS OF CUM GUZZLING SHE-MALES IN HEAT.

Perhaps they’ll start advertising her stuff in the back of skin magazines.

[tomndebb]

@OneCentStamp

Is this last view unique to you, or is it also something you believe “as a Roman Catholic?”

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

**The Church and non-Christians **
839 “Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways.”[sup]325[/sup]
The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,[sup]326[/sup] “the first to hear the Word of God.”[sup]327[/sup] The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”,[sup]328[/sup] “for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.”[sup]329[/sup]
840 And when one considers the future, God’s People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.
841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”[sup]330[/sup]
842 The Church’s bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:
All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .[sup]331[/sup]
843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as “a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life.”[sup]332[/sup]
844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:
Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.[sup]333[/sup]
845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son’s Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is “the world reconciled.” She is that bark which “in the full sail of the Lord’s cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.” According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah’s ark, which alone saves from the flood.[sup]334[/sup]

“Outside the Church there is no salvation”
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?[sup]335[/sup] Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.[sup]336[/sup]
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.[sup]337[/sup]
848 “Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men.”[sup]338[/sup]
325 Lumen Gentium 16.
326 Cf. Nostra aetate 4.
327 Roman Missal, Good Friday 13:General Intercessions,VI.
328 Romans 9:4-5.
329 Romans 11:29.
330 Lumen Gentium 16; cf. Nostra aetate 3.
331 Nostra aetate 1.
332 Lumen Gentium 16; cf. Nostra aetate 2; Evangelii nuntiandi 53.
333 Lumen Gentium 16; cf. Rom 1:21, 25.
334 St. Augustine, Sermons. 96,7,9: Patroligia Latina (Paris, 1841-1855)
38,588; St. Ambrose, De virginibus. 18 118: Patroligia Latina (Paris, 1841-1855)
16,297B; cf. already 1 Peter 3:20-21.
335 Cf. Cyprian, Ep. 73.21:PL 3,1169; De unit.: Patroligia Latina (Paris, 1841-1855)
4,509-536.
336 Lumen Gentium 14; cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5.
337 Lumen Gentium 16; cf. Denzinger-Schonmetzer, Enchiridion Symbolorum, definitionum et declarationum de
rebus fidei et morum (1965) 3866-3872.
338 Ad gentes 7; cf. Hebrews 11:6; 1 Corinthians 9:16.

The “through no fault of their own” clause in paragraph 847 is generally considered in the RCC to indicate both those people who could not have heard the Gospel, ('cause they died in Tierra del Fuego in 70 C.E.), and those for whom their education or life experience has inhibited their ability to understand the Truth (as the RCC sees it).

[dropzone]

@OneCentStamp

Is this last view unique to you, or is it also something you believe “as a Roman Catholic?”

Nah, that’s pretty much RC doctrine. One of the reasons so many of the fundamentalist sects don’t consider [del]us[/del], er, them Christians. (thinking) They probably don’t consider “Evangelical” (how’s THAT for an oxymoron?) Lutherans (AKA: Catholics Lite) Christians, either, for many of the same reasons.

[Liberal]

@Qadgop the Mercotan

Ah, but what if one has been exposed to Christianity, yet did not embrace it?

That’s what I get from some of my kinsmen: Doubly damned to hell because I’m not even a virtuous pagan, having heard the Truth, and rejected it.

But you know that didn’t happen, since it’s not possible for you to reject the truth.

[Thudlow_Boink]

@Little Nemo

Ann Coulter says single women have stupid opinions and shouldn’t be allowed to express their political views. Ann Coulter is a single woman. Ann Coulter has stupid opinions.

Ann needs a man to keep her in line.

Any volunteers?

[SmartAleq]

@Qadgop the Mercotan

Ah, but what if one has been exposed to Christianity, yet did not embrace it?

So, is that like screaming and running away from a flasher? Because running sounds like the smart thing to do under the circumstances…

[Baldwin]

There’s no shortage of ignorant, crazy people spouting nonsense. Why does this particular psychotic cunt get so much attention? She’s not an especially good writer or orator, not good at defending a position logically, and not what I’d call charismatic. How does she even have a career (doing what she’s doing)?

[Baldwin]

Edited to delete duplicate post.

[Bricker]

@Qadgop the Mercotan

Ah, but what if one has been exposed to Christianity, yet did not embrace it?

That’s what I get from some of my kinsmen: Doubly damned to hell because I’m not even a virtuous pagan, having heard the Truth, and rejected it.

Did you reject it through some fault of your own?

If not, if you rejected it because your best, most sincere understanding of the world didn’t lead you to belief, then that’s no fault of yours, and no barrier to salvation.

On the other hand, if you rejected it because even though you believed in God, or in Christ (as taught by the Church), you wanted to separate yourself from His will… then THAT, in my view, would be a barrier to salvation.

[Bricker]

@OneCentStamp

Is this last view unique to you, or is it also something you believe “as a Roman Catholic?”

tomndebb has answered this for me – it’s explicitly part of our catechism. I believe it as a Roman Catholic.

I know that some of my brethern in Christ on the Protestant side don’t take such an expansive view of things… but they’re just plain dead wrong.

[Qadgop_the_Mercotan]

@Bricker

Did you reject it through some fault of your own?

If not, if you rejected it because your best, most sincere understanding of the world didn’t lead you to belief, then that’s no fault of yours, and no barrier to salvation.

On the other hand, if you rejected it because even though you believed in God, or in Christ (as taught by the Church), you wanted to separate yourself from His will… then THAT, in my view, would be a barrier to salvation.

Thanks for the response, Bricker. I do appreciate it. But I’m having trouble reconciling that with the official catechism as posted by Tomn… above:

“Outside the Church there is no salvation”
…
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338

I know the gospel and I am well aware of “his church”. I just don’t accept it as truth. For you to say that, despite this, I somehow get a pass on it doesn’t seem congruent with the above, to me.