Anti-choice arsewits" should “get railed”, X? Wow, that was profound. I have no idea why the abortion debate has dragged on for decades when people like you obviously have all the answers. Yes, you discovered the big secret. We pro-lifers are all really anti-choice, because obviously anyone who happens to disagree with your personal view must be a monster. And, gosh, it’s hard to see why anyone would ever have a problem with abortion. After all, nobody could possibly see any value in the life of a fetus unless they’re REALLY just looking for a way to torture and oppress women–that’s why nobody ever feels bad about having a miscarriage or stillbirth.
The pro-aborts aren’t the most rational of people, spath, so you’re wasting your keystrokes.
Well, now. That’s a great way to further your cause. Thanks for the insight.
Here’s a tip, if you want people to take you seriously and value your beliefs, maybe you should try to understand theirs. I don’t like abortion, either, but calling all “pro-aborts” irrational is an obviously false statement. If you really want abortion to end, you need to understand why people have abortions, and work to make them unnecessary, not call people who have them or support the right to have them names.
I don’t think anyone who believes in having the power to make a decision regarding their own body would call themselves Pro-Abortion. The correct term here is Pro-Choice.
Just popping in to side with Kinsey on this one. When I was on the pill I never took the green sugar pills. So if someone had asked if I had “pills left at the end of the month”, I would have answered yes, but that doesn’t mean I wasn’t taking them correctly.
Um, me. I have trouble remembering to take my pills. Honestly. There is something in my brain that is simply not good at routines, even simple ones that a monkey should be able to manage.
The first month I had my anti-depressants, I took one every night and never forgot. That was like a miracle. But generally speaking, I have a hard time remembering stuff like that.
It’s YOUR uterus. YOUR body. YOUR right to decide.
Anything else reduces women to slavery.
The second point? It’s a free country. We can do whatever we like, provided we respect that same right in others. (I’d quote the Wiccan Rede as case in point, but it’s worded far too pretentiously, IMO.) See first point.
As for pro-life, does this include taking your trusty Kalashnikov down to the nearest gynecologist’s office and giving the local abortion provider a 7.62mm lobotomy? PRO-LIFE=BOLLOCKS!
Okay, so no birth control method is 100% effective. My point about condoms is the man in the relationship needs to take responsibility, too. A woman can’t get pregnant by herself. The way I got it figured, it takes two to tango, and he needs to shoulder his share of the responsibility in that regard. Geddit?
I got pregnant because I kept on forgetting to take my pill. I’m not an idjit. I’m just forgetful about “petty” things like that.
So because I know that I’m a forgetful type of person, I got an IUD.
I got an IUD because it, in itself is my “backup”. If you get pregnant with an IUD, you’re pretty much required to have an abortion. Apparently, the IUD kills the kid anyway.
So don’t yell at women because they’re forgetful about taking their pill. Yell at them because they should be using another form of birth control.
Just wondering…it’s it kind of hypocritical for you to get mad when someone uses a different term to describe your position than you’d like (“pro-abortion” instead of “pro-choice”), and then yourself use a different term than your opponents prefer to descibe their position? (“antichoice” instead of “pro-life”)
Originally posted by Honey
"Back that horse up a bit.
I don’t think anyone who believes in having the power to make a decision regarding their own body would call themselves Pro-Abortion. The correct term here is Pro-Choice. "
Oh, the irony.
You know, if both sides of this issue would stop screaming for a minute and put all the time, energy, and money used to fight each other into a common goal of making birth control affordable and accessable, and make sex education a priority, wouldn’t everyone benefit?
To the pro-life side: Abortion is not going to be, and should not be outlawed. Stop trying to make it illegal and instead work to make it unnecessary. Isn’t it better that no one needs to have an abortion rather than forcing people to have children they can’t support / don’t want?
To the pro-choice side: Realize that real pro-lifers are not out bombing clinics and do not support those who do. We are horrified when this happens, same as you. Most pro-lifers are just people acting out of concern (albeit often misguided) for life. Try to respect that they see life a little differently than you.
But this has all been said before, in different threads, so carry on.
I’m on the pill, and you would think after three months, I’d finally start to get the routine. But no. I’m constantly taking pills late (although I’ve only actually forgotten one entirely once). However, not being a total moron, merely an absentminded one, I also use condoms. FWIW, I have discovered that my pager is invaluable. I set the alarm for the same time each day, and take the pill when the annoying beep goes off. It’s just when I try to be independant that I get in trouble.
Re. the comment above about choking - the birth control pill is about the least likely pill to cause it, at least. Those things are tiny - I’m pretty picky about using water with pills, but those I’d just pop in my mouth and swallow.
Things like depression can cause you to not think about having to take a pill. Some women go away on a weekend vacation, forget to pack the pill, and figure a couple days won’t hurt - and some of them then add to that “actual use” statistic.
Deleted a hijacking comment re. abortion and terms for the various “sides” - screw that, I’m not going to hijack this thread further.
ouisey, who told you that you are “required” to have an abortion if you get pregnant with an IUD? There are quite a few babies that successfully make it to term with the IUD still in place. If you catch it early, you can also frequently pull the IUD without harming the fetus.
The IUD is even more reliable than the pill, and less work, so it’s a good choice for a lot of women. It’s got a bad rap in the US, but it’s really a pretty effective little gadget.
I used to forget my pills… usually when I’m in Maine visiting my parents and I keep them in my suitcase instead of right next to the alarm clock where I’d always see them. (My parents know I’m taking them, but keeping them out of sight prevents my mom seeing them and sighing about her little girl being all grown up and blah blah blah and getting depressed for the rest of the day.) I really want an IUD, but my doctors won’t let me have one because I’m “too young” and it has a teeny teeny chance of screwing up my chances of having babies someday (which I don’t/won’t/couldn’t have anyway). Anyhoo, now that I also have to take various other meds at the same time, I haven’t forgotten a pill in a long while. One’s a med for heartburn, so if I didn’t remember to take my drugs, I’d usually get “reminded” by my stomach in a few hours.
Hey, spathiphyllum - you ever try out one of those patches? I’m one of the ones who could never remember to take my pills. Thankfully I never got pregnant! I’m married, and have started menopause now, and am on hormone replacement via patch.
They suck! Actually, they work very well - no breakthrough periods, and no hot flashes. But they make me itch like a mother! They collect sweat under them, and make me break out into a rash. I’ve taken to removing it before I go to bed, and replacing it in a new spot after my shower in the morning. (I only sleep about 5 hrs/night.) I guess it’s worth it. I hope someday I won’t need anything.
I once knew a dumb twit. She made me realize just how stupid people can be about contraception. She was about nineteen years old at the time of this small tale. She begged me to go with her to Planned Parenthood so she could get examined and get birth control pills. Since she was dating a scumbucket at the time, I figured it would be the best thing. So I went with her. She even insisted I be in the room during her examination and practically hold her hand. She got a supply of pills and seemed relieved. They taught her everything she needed to do and gave her tips on how to remember to take her pills (take them at the same time, with a particular meal maybe, set your wrist watch
And then the bitch got pregnant. I asked her: what happened? Weren’t you using your pills?
And she told me: well, I figured that if you can use them every day and not get pregnant like they told me, then I could take three every three days and not get pregnant.
I gaped at her. I kid you not, I gaped at her. I gaped at the sheer stupidity and the audacity. There was far more to her sordid story, but that was it. I had had it.
I have been on birth control on and off since I was fifteen. I have always taken it correctly. If a fifteen year old can do it, a bloody nineteen year old should be able to. Some people are just too stupid.
Oh, she sits up. As soon as I put the pill in her mouth she gets up, reaches her hands out for water, drinks the glass squirel-style, makes some obscure and extremely complicated metaphysical statement, and lie back down - all without waking up.
