Even if Bush and/or his writers knew the possessive of the gerund is grammatically preferred, I suspect they used the “less correct” version because it would “sound right” to their target audience. Sort of the same way he persists in saying “nukular,” even though you know lots of people have mentioned it to him, at least in part because it helps his intended demographic to perceive him as being jus’-plain-folks instead of the corporate wolf in down-home sheep’s clothing that he is.
Yes, I realize my link defined the use as idiomatic. I didn’t really think I needed to go into that much detail on the point, but if you insist… This generally means that the construction should not be used in the most formal writing, but it is proper in casual writing or, as Bush used it, in a speech.
Quite often a correct usage sounds odd. For example, the expression ‘between you and me’ is correct grammar, whereas ‘between you and I’ (though sounding better) is incorrect.
And Zoe, I am shocked that the SDMB folks missed one of your grammatical “errors”. Yes your use of irregardless was properly chastised but your stating “he done real good” was totally overlooked. You should have said “he done really good”. LOL
And a serious Whoosh Warning to anyone that’s ready to pounce on that last paragraph.
That’s something I’m hearing more of from professional speakers that bugs me. More and more newscasters and other speakers are saying things like “he gave the award to Bill and I,” instead of “Bill and me.” You don’t say, “he gave the award to I,” so adding Bill to the sentence doesn’t change things. I guess they are trying to keep from the error of phrases like, “Bill and me went to the store,” so they use “I” on every occasion.
Sanguine, the appearance of a word in the dictionary doesn’t mean it’s a ‘real word’ or that it’s correct grammar. “Irregardless” is self-contradictory and nonsensical. A dictionary isn’t an arbiter of words, it’s a guide to words that are commonly used, and that’s why it’s in there: because a large number of people make the same stupid mistake.
Which is exactly how a language evolves. Lots of “fake” words have been coined into the English language. Common use makes them “real”, grammar nazis and POTUSAs notwithstanding.
-Horseflesh, what am a good speaker of da English language.
P.S. Where did Sanguine post in this thread?
Just reviving this thread to yield the point. After a few days and an exchange of emails with one now cranky former English teacher(and friend), I’m willing to admit that’s a gerund phrase. I may be forced back into 8th grade grammar class now. I hope Bushie’s happy.