There’s also a difference between pure laine and Quebecois; a pure laine is someone whose ancestry is (supposed to be) almost entirely Quebecois. Needless to say they are few and far between.
But thank you for helping me with my point, which is that being a French-speaking resident of Quebec doesn’t make me Quebecois any more than speaking Spanish makes me a Hispanic-Canadian.
Um… Matt -
Weren’t you defending the “French-first” laws (while being embarassed by the Matzah incident)?
If so, would that preference tend to make you a Quebecois, even by your definition? What if you were pro-independence? THEN would you be a Quebecois? Or do you consider it strictly a genetic thing?
Of course! You can’t hold Quebecois opinions any more than you can be of Communist descent.
Is happyheathen from Quebec? If not, then isn’t your point here sort of irrelevant?
You accused the man of acting in a racist fashion for using the word “Quebecois” in a way you personally don’t use it, despite the fact that his use of the word was quite appropriate. Your personal vocabulary is not the world English standard, and someone else using a different definition does not make them a racist.
It’s funny that you accused someone else of bigotry for using a word the way that the dictionary, uh, says you can use it. You’re the one defining “Quebecois” by nebulous ethnic parameters, a distinction that to many people outside Quebec seems kind of silly. So the enlightened people of the world use it as an all-encompassing word describing all the people of Quebec - how’s that a bad thing? Does that make me a “racist,” too? I always use “Quebecois” as a synonym for “Quebecers,” as do many people, I suspect. How is happyheathen bigoted for using this commonly accepted definition? An explanation, please.
Perhaps you’ve forgotten in the fog of battle what this is about, but I did nothing of the kind.
I said, in what was obviously a sarcastic fashion, given the entire rest of my position as expressed on this page:
Happyheathen then said:
I said:
He said:
It has nothing to do with his usage of the word Quebecois. It has to do with his racist implication that Quebecois believe anglophones to be incapable of loving Quebec.
And so we are back to referring to Quebecois as a “race”
[sub]Will the circle, be unbroken, by and by Lord, by and by…[/sub]
If you can think of a better term than “racism” for prejudice based on the fact of someone’s being Quebecois, I’m open to suggestions.
I would sugest “natural repugnance”, given my definition of “Quebecois” (it is not a race to me or m/w, or many others) - but we’ve been through this within the last few hours, so I guess we will need to recognize that my definition of “Quebecois” (social/lingual/geo-political) is, at base, different than your use (ethnic linage).
Meantime, given the pro-independence twits who self-identify as “Quebecois” while wrapping themselves in the Fleur-de-Lis, do not be surprised that someone waving the Fleur-de-Lis is taken to be a pro-independence twit.
:smack:
What do you call a Quebecer who isn’t Quebecois in the French language?
In French? Un québécois anglophone/allophone, or un citoyen du Québec.
Well, Q in *Québécois * should be capitalized. I should say that those are ways of specifically identifying Quebecers who don’t speak French as a first language. The French word Québécois directly translates English Quebecer. I don’t hesitate to call myself un Québécois when speaking French.
Why am I not surprised about Happyheathen? He certainly seems to have url=“http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2356833&highlight=french#post2356833”]an interesting relationship with anything or anyone that speaks French. (This one was my especial favourite - he managed to sneak something into a thread that didn’t even have anything to do with French at all, but with Swaziland!)
I cannot believe I just read this:
You know, this may be wrong of me, but in a lot of ways I want to tell happyheathen to go away, because he obviously has no clue whatsoever about Quebec.
You’re right, we do define “Québecois” differently than you do. And I feel that, in many ways, the way we define it has more validity than the way you define it because… we’re living it.
Also, please realize how stupid you sound when you ask if matt would be Québecois if he were a seperatist. And if you don’t, here’s a hint: really really stupid. Really.
Does the “Parti Quebecois” mean the same thing in English as well as French? If so, what does "Quebecois " mean in this case?
Does it make a difference if one sees “Quebecois” spelled with none, one, ore two accents as shown in this thread ?
Gramatically, “Quebecois” in Parti Quebecois is an adjective means “of or pertaining to Quebec.” If it meant either Quebecer Party or Québécois Party, it would be “Parti des Québécois”. Although of course I wouldn’t put a sly ethnic implication past some of the party’s founding fathers.
The accents make no difference. Both e’s have accents in French: Québécois. It’s probably better to use either no accents (Quebecois) or two accents (Québécois) in English, although I’ve often seen Québecois.
I really did not know that. Usually all I learn in the pit is ways to curse. Waving a flag is a political statement, but I’ll be damned if I understand quite why it was deemed a controversial one, other than for the usual reason that people are ofthe brain dead assholes.
BTW: I still feel guilty every time I order a pecan mudslide.
Good god, that is really something.
I feel icky just having read HH’s derogatory statements. He may not realize it, or even be capable of realizing it, but HH has firmly established that he is racist.
No, Heathen just enjoys bashing the French (that’s a culture, language, ethnic group, and history - it is NOT a race, so kindly quit calling me a racist).
p.s. - read the entire thread, not just those cleverly highlighted by the french-wanna-be. Fair assessment, Matt?