A rant against my own stupidity and self-neglect

Well, Monty, there are a couple of problems here. First of all, 13-3112 is the concealed carry act, which is specifically referenced in 13-3102 “Misconduct involving weapons; defenses, classifications; definitions.” The portion you are specifically interested in (Subsection A, paragraph 2) defines what constitutes concealed carry and agrees with what I posted above.

However, what I also posted above, about the gun being able to be carried concealed anywhere in the vehicle as long as it is carried in a holster is stated verbatim in subsection G, and states in relevant part: “Subsection A, paragraph 2 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a case, holster, scabbard, pack or luggage which is carried within a means of transportation…”

Also, violation of paragraph 2 is a Class 1 misdemeanor. The Class 3 felony violations of 13-3102 exist for Subsection A paragraph 9 (firing at an occupied structure in order to further in interests of a criminal gang or syndicate) and for Subsection B, selling or providing a firearm to another party with reasonable suspicion that the party will use the firearm in commission of a felony.

Do not presume to call me out as being ignorant of my state’s gun laws when you perform two minutes of half-assed research, sunshine.

Sorry, I omitted the link. Read up.

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/03102.htm

**Alice]/b], that goes in with what I said in the section you quoted above about the trading a higher degree of victimization for a reduced risk of serious injury.

Where are the baseball bat control people when you need them? :wink:

Why did I know we’d end up here.

Give it a rest, guys. It has no answer and you’re just grinding metal.

Quick correction to a typo, it was subsection F, not G

“Sunshine,” hey, punk? You go tooling around town thinking you’ve a fucking loaded weapon in your vehicle and when you encounter another asshole tooling around town actually with a fucking loaded weapon, you decide to dive for your fucking loaded weapon THAT’S NOT FUCKING THERE!

You also have no idea what the posted speed limit is for the firing ranger…er, public road on which you intend to have this little shootout.

You also decide that this emergency is so extreme that you’d rather get into an argument with someone on the phone instead of simply redialing 911.

Which you could’ve easily done had you familiarized yourself with your freaking cell phone and had the thing programmed correctly to begin with.

But apparently dialling 911 was so much more difficult than dialling 411. Poor baby.

By the way, asshole…what’s your fucking plan of explanation when you actually do fire back at someone, miss them, and hit some innocent party ON THE FUCKING PUBLIC ROAD?!

Also by the way, are you tooling around with a concealed carry permit? I took it that you’re not since you mentioned that Arizona is an “open carry” state. Now, you’re correct that violation of the CCW law is a misdemeanor; but violationg the open carry statute is a Class 3 felony.

So, Rambo, which is it? Are you (a) a fucking moron, (b) a fucking moron, or © a fucking moron?

Now, I may have misconstrued what constitutes a felony, but for all the rest of the stuff I posted, I’ll stick with it.

The answer for the little quiz above for FA is (a), (b), AND ©.

And I too thank my lucky stars that I live in a city/country where the headlines are more often about an AFL footy player who had an affair with his best mates wife. (we’ve got our priorities right dang it).

Like, we have news (sometimes) but crazy shootings aren’t up there too frequently.

That’s 'cos we don’t have a laissez-faire policy with guns.

Fucking READ the OP.

I did read the OP, Rye. Perhaps you could manage to simply learn how to read. “9” does not equal “911.”

Nor, contrary to the action/adventure movies you seem to think are instructional videos, is shooting someone while driving. The other guy demonstrated that when he not only missed you but also your entire car. You were in little danger from him, regardless of where the next exit was. Careful and creative driving would have kept you safe.

And, while I will accept, though not entirely agree, that the majority of gun owners in this country are “responsible,” “well-trained” is a totally different story. Haphazardly trained is more like it.

I have not touched a gun in quite a long time, yet I manage to also not be “a willing victim of violence.” One does not have to walk around armed like Dirty Harry to avoid most violence or to, as you were forced by your own forgetfulness, extricate oneself from it.

From the OP

Very good, Rye. Now let’s see you move onto “continuity” in the story. The OP first dialled “9 talk” and got an error message. He then dialled “911” and got a busy signal. He then dialled “411 talk” and commenced the argumentive bit.

Yes, what is wrong with dialing 9, then 911, then 411?

well-stated, dropzone.

Apparently, you either can’t read or don’t bother to. You certainly can’t handle being shown you’re wrong. At any rate, I’ll go really slowly so you can keep up.

It’s none of the above, you halfwit. I’m a responsible citizen who carries the means to defend himself, is trained in the use of those means, the legal and moral means to employ them and the consequences of both deploying and failing or opting not to do so. You are apparently too embroiled in your mantra of “guns are inherently evil” (admittedly paraphrased) to bother acquainting yourself with the facts of any situation that may fall outside your predefined worldview and agenda, if any.

Your complete lack of factual knowledge is contemptible, but your refusal to refer to the facts when they are lain out in front of you is reprehensible. Kindly go crawl back under your rock.

I am wholly aware of how difficult it is to hit a moving target, particularly when you, yourself, are in motion. However, given his close proximity, had I not exited and evaded, or had he followed me, his odds would have improved.

As to the point of “well-trained”, most gun owners, and all the ones I know personally, take pride in their ability to handle weapons accurately and safely, take a fairly high degree of training and practice regularly. Is that guaranteed across the board? Of course not, but I would hazzard that most civilian gun owners who regularly carry their weapons are better trained than the average police officer.

And I’m sorry, dropzone, but if you do not choose to possess the means to defend yourself, you do not manage to avoid being a willing victim of violence; you just haven’t been one yet. While it is always better to get away safely, situations do arise where that is not an option. I hope that situation does not arise for you and that your luck continues to hold.

Glad you’re okay, FallenAngel. You did the right thing, and I’m all for the right to carry.

Good God, people! The man was shot at on a public highway, managed to get away from the situation, reported it immediately afterward, and offered to ID the idiot who was doing the shooting. If someone who hadn’t brought up the gun details had posted that, s/he’d have gotten three pages of sympathy and "Are you all right?"s!

But since he mentioned that he carries a gun, and regrets that he didn’t have it with him (regardless of whether he’d have used it or not), he’s suddenly Gary Cooper and Rambo and has a deep-felt need to prove his manhood?

Y’all are nuts. Truly, truly nuts. A gun is not a moral issue. It’s a tool. Owning a gun doesn’t make you a bad person. Carrying a gun doesn’t make you a lunatic. Try to get a life, 'kay?

jayjay

No. This was not phone tag; this was going through the proper channels. Phoenix, like all cities, has a bureacracy. Certain problems are to be handle by certain departments; others by other departments.

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No, she would not, because the problem came under the Highway Patrol jurisdiction. If the HP decided they needed the cooperation of the police department, then they would make contact, but otherwise, it’s not their responsibility.

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That might not be a good idea. FallenAngel already agreed to ID the shooter if necessary. If this ended up being a court case, he could be called as a witness. Now, imagine if the shooter’s lawyer found something he said to Dispatcher#1, or 2 for that matter, but not to anyone else, and had it struck as inadmissible. The only statement that should be recorded is the one made to the department that’s carrying out the pursuit (and hopefully arrest).

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I think not, for reasons already stated. Anyway, why make her job any more stressful than it already is?