I wonder what a 15 yr. old American youth would receive for a conviction of murder and planting explosive devices on an American road? How far would his “my parents wanted me to” defense would go in mitigating his sentence?
If he was doing it against an invading army, probably quite a lot.
In the back. While he was kneeling. And wounded. Blind in one eye.
There’s a special word for that sort of argument, you’re probably aware of it. You have likely used the term to disparage arguments that were weak and prejudicial. You were right to do so.
I am unaware of any UN standards that sanction the legitimacy of mercenary warriors. Advise.
Please, please tell me that you’re not going down this road. That those who question or protest our government’s actions are traitors and working for the enemy.
Let me ask just this once: do you totally believe the government’s case here? No questions, no doubts, just rock solid faith. Ever hear of a “body count”? How about a “Viet Cong water buffalo”? From whence your certainty?
What uniform does truth wear?
Well gee Der Trish I’m amazed that you have a condemning opinion of the US military.
Tell you what. Next time you respond just type. Blah.Blah,Blah We all know what you’re going to say anyway. Save yourself some keystrokes. Then you can go back to whacking off as you read the military casualty reports.
And of course you carefully avoid answering my questions.
BubaDog:
I’ll ask you the same question:
Do you totally believe the government’s case here? No questions, no doubts, just rock solid faith.
He wasn’t doing it against an invading army, though. The guy lived in Canada and Pakistan. He joined Al Qaeda and traveled from Pakistan to Afghanistan to fight.
Cite?
True. But I also find it highly unlikely (nay, possibly even unconstitutional) that a 15 year old American youth would have been detained for 8 years prior to trial, and presumably said youth would have been afforded the protection of the US constitution at his trial.
Of course he was. What did you think the Americans were doing there, vacationing? Where the kid came from is irrelevant, unless you think that American WWII vets should be prosecuted for shooting German soldiers on French soil.
I have no idea if I do. I wasn’t in a position to hear the government and defense witnesses, weigh their credibility and decide what to believe.
But for the same reason, I don’t discount them. Nothing about their offer of proof seems inherently incredible, so that it must be disbelieved.
Did the kid enter a foreign country with the intent of battling American troops? How can that be irrelevant? It’s not like he’s defending his homeland.
We didn’t invade his country. We invaded another country and he decided he was going to join the fight against us.
And US WWII vets were soldiers in the army in a country at war against Germany. This kid wasn’t a soldier in any country’s army, and Pakistan isn’t at war against the United States.
You have actual evidence that he was sent as a combatant? Bring.
Fucking splendid work there, from the department of tautological process.
We think what you’re doing is wrong, so we will pass a law against it, thus proving you were wrong. To avoid any comparisons to the self same behaviour on our part, we will claim it’s only wrong if you don’t have a uniform or some other technicality. It makes it all sound so civilized when you claim there are rules.
Fuck me, it’s honestly embarrassing. When their guys go somewhere they don’t come from and start shooting people they’re evil scum who must be jailed. When we send people there and start the shooting it’s to protect…oh, I don’t know, something or other.
Can’t we just go back to the good old days of imperialism where we just excused everything on the grounds that they’re damned foreigners so don’t count? We’d have saved a fucking fortune on trial costs, and wouldn’t have looked like a bunch of pusses who are obsessed with fooling ourselves into thinking we’re the good guys.
Charging document, Count 1 (Conspiracy), para 21-22:
And he entered a plea of guilty, admitting the factual allegations in the charging document:
It IS irrelevant. Why does it matter in the slightest where he was from? Especially since it wasn’t the homeland of the invading American soldiers either.
More irrelevancies. What matters is that the Americans were invading. Where he was from or whether or not he had a uniform doesn’t matter.
Means nothing since he was in the hands of people known to engage in torture. He would have pled guilty to being an agent of the Martian Empire too, I’m sure.
Ah! Excellent! We have a confession! Well, then, that settles everything, doesn’t it? Nothing else to see here, folks, we have a confession!
Nothing about that troubles you? Nothing?