Zenster: Hear, hear!
I had the same thought as Guinastasia - too bad we couldn’t have caught those bastards alive, so that we could find out where Daddy is hiding out.
jarbabyj - what the hell are you talking about? Can you think of any other murderers more deserving of our disdain? I will dance on their graves if I want to - along with many others.
I have written post after post and then erased it in response to the entrance of the offenderati into this thread. I really am left speechless.
Is it really necessary to poke your heads into every thread to let us know how offended you are? Collectively the Husseins and Amin left death tolls totalling at least several hundreds of thousands of people. Their being dead is a good thing.
I can guarantee you Ugandans are taking great joy in the impending death of the man who destroyed their beautiful country. Jarbabyj and others resume trying to raise the taking of offense to an art form.
Yes, you’re right. Your actions are not as bad as those of Hussein or Amin. Congratulations on your staggering accomplishment. :rolleyes:
Two young lives tragically cut short with so much rape, pillage and murder still ahead of them.
What action exactly did Zenster take. He posted to a freaking message board. Now unless there is a lobbying group for cannibalistic African ex-dictators I can’t imagine there is a group who is not relieved that the world is almost rid of Amin.
Reading the newspaper every morning must be more than you can take. Shock and offense lurk under every headline. Zenster did nothing more than state the obvious. Only someone ignorant of Amin’s crimes or desperate to take offense would challenge that.
Originally posted by jarbabyj
It is a shame isn’t it Mel, but let us remember that they would be suffering psychologically while they raped and murdered.
These are the people we’re talking about:
If I had been given the chance, I would have gladly put a pistol to the head of either one of these monsters, pulled the trigger, and then done a little happy dance on his corpse.
I’ll save my outrage for the poor young bride tortured to death on her wedding night.
Thanks Sam and fruitbat. It is that one story, Sam, that sticks in my mind. All that sorrow and destruction, just to get laid. What sort of psychopath gets his kicks that way? The sheer horror of such rapacity mandates my glee at their demise. I too would have happily pulled the trigger on either of those two vermin.
king of spain, please read Sam Stone’s post one more time and then feel free to fuck off.
Once again, your reading comprehension fails to impress. jarbabyj never compared you to Amin and Hussein, but rather (in the part you quoted, no less) to the braindead yahoos who dance in the streets whenever one of “the enemy” is killed.
Sam? Zenster? Forgive a dumb question please - obviously I’ve been working too hard and minding the 7 month old daughter a dash too much. Was it recently confirmed that Saddam’s sons were killed was it? Was it a bombing? Or a shooting fight?
It’s all over the news. Saddam’s sons were trapped in a house, were asked to surrender, and a ‘fierce firefight’ broke out. Inside the house was a hardened room with bulletproof glass and such, and the two were in there shooting out. The military called in a gunship, which fired a TOW missile into the room and killed both of them.
The identity of the bodies was verified by former administration officials. Also, old healed bullet wounds on one of the bodies matched those that Oday suffered in a botched assassination attempt some years ago, thus positively identifying the body. The U.S. military says there is no doubt as to their identities.
Also killed was a bodyguard, and a teenage boy, assumed to be Qusay’s 14 year old son.
And evidently your reading comprehension is likewise unimpressive. Odai and Qusai were not merely enemies in some remote or even important US sponsored conflict. They embodied genuine evil. There are no political sides to their wrongs. There are no religious ramifications to the unacceptability of their misdeeds. They were rapists and murderers, not individuals on one side or the other of some territorial conflict. I realize that such a concept as overarching malignancy without borders or political alignment may be difficult for you to comprehend, so I’ll spell it out to you one more time; These were pond scum posing as hominids. They were slime molds in anthropoid form. They forfeited their right to live by dint of their abhorent and vile acts.
Any questions?
Boo Boo Foo:
I find myself 100% behind Zenster (even if he doesn’t seem to particularly need my support).
Look at this from a utilitarian point of view. Who has been caused pain by the deaths of the Brothers Saddam*? Perhaps their own selves, plus a handful of supporters who routinely inflict pain upon others. Contrast that to the multitudes of people who suffered, and would continue to suffer, because the brothers remained alive, and I think it’s clear that their deaths have dramatically reduced the amount of overall unpleasantness in the world.
These are people who based their very existence on the pain of others; it is absolutely laudable that they’ve been eliminated. It’s absolutely proper that we celebrate this, as death for 'Uday and Qusay translates directly to a vastly better life for those they have harmed.
There’s always bound to be winners and losers in life. Few losers were ever more deserving of that fate than 'Uday and Qusay.
*Iraqi naming conventions are interesting, but I think this is more correct than the Brothers Hussain, even if it does make me look stupid.
Thanks Sam and Zenster. It’s 3pm in the afternoon here, and ummmm, well I simply haven’t turned on either the radio or the TV at all this past 24 hours.
Amazing something so big could slip under my radar.
Thank you once again.
Ya know, the US is supposed to pony up $15 million to the Iraqi who tipped US forces off to the location of Saddam’s sons. Once they do that, it might inspire a few more folks to come up with information on certain individuals we’re interested in, like Saddam and Osama.
It’s really too bad the Iraqi people were deprived of the pleasure of extracting their revenge on these two skinwasters. Oh well, at least they’re gone and won’t be able to try to retake power years from now. A friend of mine and I were talking about this, and we both agreed that whomever was in charge of the operation must have been familiar with the Evil Overlord list. Specifically item number 38.
Might Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz’s actions also have had something to do with it?
'Course, sometimes “the enemy” is a brutal sadistic mass murdering thug, and sometimes it’s a stockbroker who dared to go to work.
I think JAR’s point – if I might be so presumptious as to interpret for her, which she undoubtedly doesn’t need – is that any time any of us rejoices in the death of another human being, our own humanity is reduced, if only slightly. And I agree with this. There’s a fine line between feeling grim satisfaction at a necessary job successfully done – no matter how unpleasant – and actively rejoicing in another’s demise. I would qualify that by saying that I do believe those who have suffered by the hands of the now-dead oppressor might indeed have reason to be jubilant in his death. But that’s not a POV I grant to most Americans.
However, it’s not a point I’d chastize ZENSTER about. I certainly realize YMMV, and if death must be celebrated, these seem like two excellent deaths to break out the hats and horns for. Seeing as how I don’t give the single smallest shit about Saddam or his sons, I’d hardly take issue with a poster I respect (like ZEN) for feeling differently than I do about it. I can see his point.
But I can see JAR’s too.
And I disagree. By standing against such craven examples of inhumanity, and, yes, even by rejoycing that they are dead and will torture noone else anymore, we a reafirming our humanity and enhancing it. Some things are so detrimental to “humanity” that they must be eliminated, forcefully, and we, as a race, can celebrate that they are gone. This supports the belief that “humanity” MEANS something and is not simply confired upon any individual who happens to have human DNA. Let me clarify that last. “Humanity” is invested in each and every individual as soom as they are born. By their actions, however, some people reject that inate gift and embrace … well, “beastiality” is the term that fits here, but that has another meaning in common useage. By their actions the sons of Saddam willingly shed any value and/or protection that their “humanity” provided them. I look at their deaths as no more consiquential than that of a rabid dog shot down in the street, and the people who shot them as no worse than one who kills a rabid dog. In both cases, “humanity”, meaning in this case mankind as a whole, is protected by doing so.
Yep, and I have little regard for people who dance in the streets at the deaths of either, even if that means they think I fail to understand “overarching malignancy without borders or political alignment”.