"A vicious ________"

In business parlance, there is no such thing as a vicious circle - there are only vicious cycles (a repeating, reinforcing set of actions that lead to destruction of value) and a virtuous cycle which is the same thing but value-creating.

What’s hilarious is that I went to check Wikipedia and it supports my definitions…but uses the word circle. Again, from a business and business consulting standpoint, the standard phrasing is cycle…

**Asimovian **- I am with you; I am surprised this is even a question - a circle is a closed loop; a cycle is a repeating sequence of events that can get vicious or virtuous. But my look at wiki was enough for me to pause and realize that the world is a funny place…

This is what I learned from this thread!

Knid.

No, wait, that’s vermicious. Never mind.

It’s definitely “circle.” Freddy the Pig was right, it’s circle as metaphor for recurring cycle. Saying “cycle” is probably a result of false etymology (sometimes confused with folk etymology).

The Gregg Reference Manual is blunt and to the point:

Caesar. He vicied the living daylights out of the Gauls.

Viscious material, as Carl in VanHelsing would tell you.

That’s why I say “cycle.”

A vicious climb - cycle speakingly

Merriam-Webster agrees. Vicious circle is the original form, dating to 1792. M-W has no separate entry for “vicious cycle,” noting only that it is an alternative for vicious circle.

"Circle"is also can be used as a synonym for “cycle”:

There is no logical discrepancy in using “circle” here instead of “cycle.”

Well fight my ignorance.
Now - I will still use cycle, but I will understand the implications of doing so :wink: I still can’t conflate a downward spiral with a “circle” - but clearly that is my problem…

Here’s where I first heard it. And revisiting the quote, no wonder I got confused:

“We are trapped in a vicious circle of economic, intellectual, social and political death. Inferior housing, inferior education which in turn leads to inferior jobs. We spend a lifetime in this vicious circle. Or in this vicious cycle going in circles. Giving birth to children who see no hope for the future but to follow our miserable footsteps.”
-Malcolm X, 1963.

FWIW, the expression even in Japanese is 悪循環 akujunkan, which could be translated overly literally as “evil sequential ring/circle.” *Not *cycle.

We learned it for a unit that dealt with gift-giving in Japanese culture. It’s quite possibily my favorite word I was ever officially assigned to learn, aside from 漂流者 hyouryuusha, “a person who goes adrift on the ocean,” which is not only fabulous but nigh-useless in ordinary conversation.

I have never heard ‘circle’ until this thread.

It’s cycle, god dammit. What’s wrong with you people?

“Will it go Round in Cycles?”
“Will the Cycle be Unbroken?”
“A Cycle of Friends”
“The Inner Cycle”
“Family Cycle”
“The Mystic Cycle”
“Cycle K”

Lion.

(also, it’s circle, not cycle)

Oh dear. Running only about 56% literate right now.

This one didn’t faze me, actually.

I am enjoying the discussion and feeling like I am learning stuff, but really don’t need the condescension. :rolleyes:

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=vicious+circle&word2=vicious+cycle

Cycle wins the google fight